Questions for Quranists

[reel]

Stumbled upon a site that has questions for Quranists. I noticed he mentioned the mother site of this forum. I am posting his stuffs in brief. I numbered his points for the ease of reading. He is all over the place and thinks that for someone to be Muslim, he needs to be Aladdin's Jinni. I mean someone who must have instant answers to all his questions

He doesn't fully connect things to Hadith books. Hence, I thought this section would be more suitable for his questions.

Provide answers if you wish to. I attached his site link below.

1. If the Holy Qur?an is all that is needed for any person why would Allah (swt) say that he would show us signs on the horizons and with in ourselves until ?It? -becomes clear that ?It?-the Qur?an is the truth?

So the question becomes how do they know that the Holy Qur?an is complete?

2. For example there is absolutely no where in the entirety of the Holy Qur?an that says ?this Qur?an will consist of so many chapters, verses, and letters.?    Why do they accept the Holy Qur?an in the arrangement it is now in?  What proof do Qur?an Only Muslims have to suggest that surah al fatiha should be placed first and surah an nass last?

3. ?Is Bismillah ir rahman ir raheem? a verse at the beginning of Surah Al Fatiha or not?

There is absolutely no way to substantiate this claim internally.  The irony of ironies here is that rather or not the ?basmallah? should be included at the beginning of Surah Al Fatiha is left up to criteria outside of the Holy Qur?an to determine!

I thought In the name of Allah works as a citation for the messenger. In other words, he is reading the message of Allah. 

4. Everyone agrees that ?Basmalla? is a verse inside of the Holy Qur?an.

?It is from Solomon, and is (as follows): ?In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful:? (Holy Qur?an 27:30)

However, why are the Qur?an Only Muslims in dispute on rather or not this should occur at the beginning of every chapter or not?

You can go to one Quran Only web site and find them not including the basmallah as a verse included before every chapter here: http://www.free-minds.org/quran/PM/2

Where as another group of Qur?an Only open dispute with those at free-minds.org.    You can see the ?submitters?  here:

http://submission.org/QI#2%3A0   Notice the very bizarre 2:0. reference?

5. ?And We have bestowed upon thee the Seven Oft-repeated (verses) and the Grand Qur?an.? (Holy Qur?an 15:87)

This may be the only place where Holy Qur?an mentions a section of itself outside of another section. In other words if we are to believe this verse as revelation; it clearly states for us to look out for the ?seven oft repeated?.

There is a very interesting observation.

a) It is interesting that the Holy Qur?an mentions that these verses are  ?seven oft repeated?.  This can only be confirmed outside of the text as we do not find these verses re-occuring in the Holy Qur?an at all.

Who are these people?

6. ?And when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, ?Keep your wife and fear Allah ,? while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished..? (Holy Qur?an 33:37)

Who is  Zayd?  Why is he mentioned in the Holy Qur?an?   What are these verses all about?    What was it that the Blessed Messenger (saw)  concealing that Allah (swt) was about to make known?   How does Allah ?marry someone to the Blessed Messenger (saw) ?

7. ?May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he. His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained. He will burn in a Fire of flame And his wife ? the carrier of firewood. Around her neck is a rope of  fiber.? (Holy Qur?an 1:1-5)

Who is Abu Lahab?   Why is he mentioned in the Holy Qur?an?  What are these verses all about?  Who his his wife?  What did they do to deserve these descriptions of them from the Almighty?

I remember catching that Hadith gave wrong description of Abu Lahab.

8. Why does Allah (swt) need or even desire a to communicate his message through any medium at all?

Be it textual, oral or human.  Why not just reveal the revelation directly to each individual directly?   Surely Allah (swt0 is capable of doing all things.

9. Why does the Holy Qur?an  constantly point to outside sources to verify its claims and veracity?

Some points of consideration:

?Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him ? it is those who will be the successful.? (Holy Qur?an 7:157)

Feel free to visit his site https://primaquran.wordpress.com/2014/11/23/questions-for-quran-only-muslims-that-cant-be-swept-under-a-rug/

[Neptin]

Salaam.

The questions make very little sense. I will get back to them by God 's grace.

[harris]

 Salaam,
The writer of these questions has made a fundamental mistake. He assumes that Quranists are wrong in their denial of the Hadiths because the Holy Quran itself refers to outside events and people. That is like saying that modern medicine, iphones and other technological advancements are wrong because we have books that clearly say the Earth was flat or that people were content with Kodak cameras once upon a time! 



Hadithists need to understand that Submitters who follow the Quran alone DO NOT reject history. On the contrary, a rational submitter rejects the interpretation of history as being divine commands from GOD Almighty!

Divine Commands for mankind are only from the Holy Quran and from the remnants of the previous revelations that match each other. Contradictory stories, illogical superstitions and evil propogated in the name of GOD and His messengers is what Quranists reject.

How do we know the truth? Because the truth is the only information that makes absolute sense! It has remained the same from the scriptures revealed to Moses until that revealed to Muhammed. Is that a coincidence?

Such people who reject logic, prefer to live in their blindness by finding 'proof' that others are wrong.

Peace.

[Farabi]

If you pretend to be a non muslim and ask back that question, they also had no proof when they answering that question. Basicaly, that question brought us nothing. Basicaly faith. Everything is faith. We just believed it and we had no idea about how the quran come to our hand. I've asked them about the same question too, do you know the answer? "Are you muslims? If you muslims you have to believe the quran was preserved by God".

"So you are not muslims? You have to be a muslim to understand it, you want to say shahadat now? (So we have a reason to kill you if you dont satisfied with my answer?  ). Because God said in the quran, he will preserved the quran. That is the proof, the quran is the proof"

That is the answer so far. So, dont bother to answer it. Basically its faith.

[hawk99]

If you pretend to be a non muslim and ask back that question, they also had no proof when they answering that question. Basicaly, that question brought us nothing. Basicaly faith. Everything is faith. We just believed it and we had no idea about how the quran come to our hand. I've asked them about the same question too, do you know the answer? "Are you muslims? If you muslims you have to believe the quran was preserved by God".

"So you are not muslims? You have to be a muslim to understand it, you want to say shahadat now? (So we have a reason to kill you if you dont satisfied with my answer?  ). Because God said in the quran, he will preserved the quran. That is the proof, the quran is the proof"

That is the answer so far. So, dont bother to answer it. Basically its faith.

Excellent!

Either you believe or you don't: 

[6:35] If their rejection gets to be too much for you, you should know that even if you dug a tunnel through
the earth, or climbed a ladder into the sky, and produced a miracle for them (they still would not believe).
Had GOD willed, He could have guided them, unanimously. Therefore, do not behave like the ignorant ones.

The fault lies with the believer who maintains that they can convince the non-believer to submit or make
sense to them despite the non-believers argumentative stance.  Instead of being dismissive as Allah
urges, we reveal our own weak faith by not accepting the ayats in Quran in this regard.

Thank you Farabi


   

[Mazhar]

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1. If the Holy Qur?an is all that is needed for any person why would Allah (swt) say that he would show us signs on the horizons and with in ourselves until ?It? -becomes clear that ?It?-the Qur?an is the truth?

So the question becomes how do they know that the Holy Qur?an is complete?

[Not us, but to those who reject Qur'aan.
What could be stronger evidence about the completeness of Grand Qur'aan than such information in the Qur'aan?

The principles of validity and reliability are at the core of what is accepted as scientific proof, by scientists and philosophers alike. Requirement of testability is an essential prerequisite to a hypothesis for establishing itself as an accepted scientific truth. Since human judgments are always going to come under question, the testability of a claim helps maintain the validity and reliability in timeline.

The ascription of:La raiba fehe,   and Al Haqo: the established truth needing no further evidence and argument, describing the Grand Qur'aan manifests that it is the ever living Book; never ever to be outdated. The experts suggest that one of the criteria a book has to meet to earn title of a great book is that; "The book has to speak from an important original setting. But a great book is one that is not trapped in its original setting. It has to be written in a way that constitutes it a living experience for readers today." Grand Qur'aan has described inbuilt test for verifying the validity and reliability of its contents time and again in the timeline:




We will henceforth keep visually exposing Our tangible-physical realities prevalent in the Universe-horizons and in their own bodies to the eyes of those who do not accept the Qur'aan.
The purpose of this visual manifestation is that it might become self manifest for them that Qur'aan is Infallible Doctrine-Discourse of Reality-Profitability and substance of permanence.
[Reverting to their conduct] Do you think that your Sustainer Lord has not yet been considered to suffice as ultimate observer?

The fact is that He the Exalted  is the One and only Who is the Observer-the Omnipresent upon every thing/whole time and space. [41:53] [Read with 27:93]

Grand Qur'aan informed that Allah the Exalted will keep bringing to human visual access the knowledge about universe and human body, whereby the fact that Grand Qur'aan is Infallible Discourse of Reality-Profitability and substance of permanence might become self manifest to the people who keep denying it. Why a first time observation of hitherto unseen thing-phenomenon manifests that the Qur'aan is a statement of proven fact? This is possible only if the same thing finds verbal mirroring of it in the Qur?aan. Verbal specification and visual observation are two aspects of identification of a tangible fact of real existence, as denoted by Arabic word : anything that mirrors and conveys information; an information mirroring transmitter; a verbal passage of Qur'aan communicating information.

Grand Qur'aan: : The Infallible Doctrine-Discourse of Reality-Profitability and substance of permanence

[reel]

The guy who asked the questions is very much aware of the problems that exist in hadith books. Yet he is not ready to do critical thinking. That is why, he feels he has caught Quranists by the collar with his questions. As I said earlier, explanation of Abu Lahab found in hadith books is a lie. Allah has no reason to change a kafir's name. He is the creator. He created Satan and he is very much aware of Baal. He showed no hesitation when he mentioned their names despite knowing that both of them have a thing for human/child sacrifice. I dont think Mr Abu Lahab was worse than them. Also, according to the Surah, his hands were to be perished. But one hadith say that even before death, he was beating people. And he died from head fracture. Then another hadith says he died of natural illness (depression and ulcer combined) and that is also because he couldnt take the Muslims' victory.

The writer of these questions has made a fundamental mistake. He assumes that Quranists are wrong in their denial of the Hadiths because the Holy Quran itself refers to outside events and people. That is like saying that modern medicine, iphones and other technological advancements are wrong because we have books that clearly say the Earth was flat or that people were content with Kodak cameras once upon a time! 

lol, you sum up the man's brain quite nicely. Nothing more to say. But before anyone feeds him the answers, he must ponder upon the huge number of verses that speak against hadith books.