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OnlyOneGod

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #371 on: August 14, 2015, 01:27:47 PM »
There is historical evidence of at least one attack made by Abraha in the Hejaz.   I can't link you to any source you will have to consult specialized literature to find out.   But it's quite besides the point.  There is no discussion Abraha tried establishing a hegemony in Arabia.  It would be highly improbable Hejaz was excluded from that agenda.

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"There is historical evidence of at least one attack made by Abraha in the Hejaz.   I can't link you to any source you will have to consult specialized literature to find out."

He might have attacked the Hijaz at some time and then died doing it. But you referenced these rock inscriptions to prove that they were referencing his attack on the Hejaz. I have yet to see any proof.

Although to help you with the rock inscriptions .... some of the references we get from this rock inscription include names like "kinda" and "Qahtani".

The kindom of Kindah was located in the Nejad Rejion who later converted to Islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindah

Qahtani reference

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabia

This rock inscription is not talking about the Hejaz region.


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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #373 on: August 14, 2015, 01:30:00 PM »
Of course those identifications are only assumptions.

But I don't understand your logic OnlyOneGod.

Which of these facts do you dispute?

1) Abraha trying to establish a hegemony in Arabia
2) Abraha's epigraphy nowhere mentioning Mecca
3) South-arabian places being mentioned that according to the hadith based Meccan qibla theory are inferior to Mecca in significance.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #374 on: August 14, 2015, 01:31:57 PM »
I don't understand what this is supposed to mean. Please clarify.

They are possible candidates of Turban as mentioned in the inscriptions.  One is very close to Mecca.

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« Reply #375 on: August 14, 2015, 01:35:32 PM »
Modern day Halban is in between Mecca and Riyadh.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #376 on: August 14, 2015, 01:35:54 PM »
Of course those identifications are only assumptions.

But I don't understand your logic OnlyOneGod.

Which of these facts do you dispute?

1) Abraha trying to establish a hegemony in Arabia
2) Abraha's epigraphy nowhere mentioning Mecca
3) South-arabian places being mentioned that according to the hadith based Meccan qibla theory are inferior to Mecca in significance.

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"1) Abraha trying to establish a hegemony in Arabia"

I have nothing to prove or disprove that

"2) Abraha's epigraphy nowhere mentioning Mecca"

According to what? Your reference to the rock inscription? They are talking of places in the Nejad and hence no mention of Mecca.

"3) South-arabian places being mentioned that according to the hadith based Meccan qibla theory are inferior to Mecca in significance."

Please elaborate. Which south arabian places being mentioned and where are they mentioned that defy Mecca as the Qibla?




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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #377 on: August 14, 2015, 01:37:13 PM »
"1) Abraha trying to establish a hegemony in Arabia"

I have nothing to prove or disprove that

"2) Abraha's epigraphy nowhere mentioning Mecca"

According to what? Your reference to the rock inscription? They are talking of places in the Nejad and hence no mention of Mecca.

"3) South-arabian places being mentioned that according to the hadith based Meccan qibla theory are inferior to Mecca in significance."

Please elaborate. Which south arabian places being mentioned and where are they mentioned that defy Mecca as the Qibla?

2) That's the academic (non-Islamic) consensus.  But you will have to consult specialized literature to find out.  I dont have any online links for them.
3) See my previous posts.  Halban, Turban.

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« Reply #378 on: August 14, 2015, 01:41:20 PM »
They are possible candidates of Turban as mentioned in the inscriptions.  One is very close to Mecca.

So now a public hospital called turbah is the site of Abrahas attack? What about kinda? Like he says in the inscription and which is historically verified?

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #379 on: August 14, 2015, 01:42:34 PM »
Modern day Halban is in between Mecca and Riyadh.

How does that prove the non-existence of mecca?