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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #300 on: August 05, 2015, 08:14:31 PM »
Salamun alaik Arman,

The indirect evidences did not seem any more convincing to me than the Becca=Mecca hypothesis. 2 Samuel 5:23,24 and 1 Chronicles 14:14,15 seem to be talking about the tree rather than the valley. But I do agree with you "It is clearly not in Arabia."

Like what brother Jafar suggested my initial impression was also that the reference is for the valley in Lebanon. But then after careful reconsideration of the full message of Al Qur'an 3:96-97 and Psalm 84:5-6, my conclusion is in both this cases the reference is more allegorical / spiritual rather than physical.

Agreed.   :bravo:

My opinion/hypothesis about Baalbek is influenced by the Ancient Alien Theory about extra terrestrial beings having constructed the platform in Baalbek using advanced technology (most likely anti-gravity or sound wave levitation) around the time of Abraham, due to the size of the stones used to construct the platform (800 tons and more). Even modern technology fails to move around such huge stones and lift them up for construction. This coupled with the theory/hypothesis of Gabriel being a higher dimensional positive alien, who could belong to the same group of aliens who constructed Baalbek platform, and who brought the message to the prophet, led to my hypothesis about Baalbek.

The hypothesis of bakkah being "more allegorical/spiritual rather than physical", thereby being a common noun rather than a proper name of a place, is a completely valid hypothesis.

3:96   The first bayt established for the people is bibakkatan/"a cut above the rest", blessed, and a guidance for the worlds.

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3:96   The first bayt established for the people is bibakkatan/"with much crowding", blessed, and a guidance for the worlds.

OR

3:96   The first bayt established for the people is the one in Bakkah, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds.

Time, further archeological evidence, or close encounters of the 4th kind, might shed more light on this matter. Either way I am one hundred percent certain bakkah does not refer to Makkah.

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6:116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God?s path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

10:36 Most of them only follow conjecture. While conjecture does not avail against the truth in anything. God is aware of what they do.

2:170 And if they are told: ?Follow what God has sent down,? they say: ?No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!? What if their fathers did not understand anything and were not guided?

28:75 And We will extract from every nation a witness, then We will say: ?Bring forth your proof.? They will then realize that all truth belongs with God, and what they had invented will abandon them.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #301 on: August 06, 2015, 02:27:54 AM »
I think references to Zion are often metaphorical too, if not also literal simultaneously. Such a view accounts for both possibilities and tries to interpret things in multiple ways "it could mean this, it could mean this, it could mean this, from such an interpretation we can take this, from such an interpretation we could take this, and from such and interpretation we could take this, we need not eschew any value for ourselves if there is value in any or all of the interpretations, just that we speak carefully regarding them".
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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #302 on: August 06, 2015, 03:04:51 AM »
Why not ascend Zion instead?
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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #303 on: August 06, 2015, 08:16:47 AM »
peace truthseeker

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Either way I am one hundred percent certain bakkah does not refer to Makkah.

You should be 1000% certain that bakkah does not refer to the DUPLICATE MAKKAH of Saudi Arabia.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #304 on: August 06, 2015, 08:55:29 AM »
peace truthseeker

You should be 1000% certain that bakkah does not refer to the DUPLICATE MAKKAH of Saudi Arabia.

Why so serious?
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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #305 on: August 06, 2015, 08:57:27 AM »
Why not ascend Zion instead?

Maybe because they aren't believers innthe Bible over the Quran in its mainstream interpretation.
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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #306 on: August 06, 2015, 09:16:16 AM »
Freedomstands,

It was a deceptive statement.
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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #307 on: August 06, 2015, 11:13:24 AM »
Freedomstands,

It was a deceptive statement.

I think Mount Zion is often a metaphorical thing, even "Israel" very often seems to be a spiritual reference rather than a literal place being mentioned in some cases. Similarly "Babylon" has come to have a spiritual implication.
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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #308 on: August 06, 2015, 12:29:43 PM »
Peace Hafeez,

You should be 1000% certain that bakkah does not refer to the DUPLICATE MAKKAH of Saudi Arabia.

Funny that you said that, because I was about to write 1000% and then at the last second wrote one hundred percent just for the sake of accuracy! I even contemplated writing a million percent for one second :)

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6:116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God?s path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

10:36 Most of them only follow conjecture. While conjecture does not avail against the truth in anything. God is aware of what they do.

2:170 And if they are told: ?Follow what God has sent down,? they say: ?No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!? What if their fathers did not understand anything and were not guided?

28:75 And We will extract from every nation a witness, then We will say: ?Bring forth your proof.? They will then realize that all truth belongs with God, and what they had invented will abandon them.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #309 on: August 06, 2015, 01:52:46 PM »
Peace Hafeez,

Funny that you said that, because I was about to write 1000% and then at the last second wrote one hundred percent just for the sake of accuracy! I even contemplated writing a million percent for one second :)

Best regards.

Haha still too confident!
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