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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #110 on: July 25, 2015, 03:01:53 PM »
Because I get tired of repeating myself.  You asked for me to give proof of Temple Mount being the qibla, I gave you the thread were I elaborate it.  READ IT.


You are still misquoting me, AGAIN I'm not saying mecca didn't exist, i'm saying:

1. mecca is not mentioned in quran as the qiblah
2. mecca was historically insignificant in that time period in all regards
3. Don't be a lazy ass and read the link I gave you, thank you.

I suggest you read all my posts to understand what I'm saying in that thread most crucially this one http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604467.170

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"1. mecca is not mentioned in quran as the qiblah"

And the temple mount is? Is that what you're saying?

"2. mecca was historically insignificant in that time period in all regards"

Mecca was and is historically very important before and after the advent of Islam. It was a place for religious congregation of other faiths before the Muhammad spread his message, and that is history which is not denied by anyone other than self appointed historians and linguists of free minds forum. Historians with much greater knowledge than you have not denied the fact.

"3. Don't be a lazy ass and read the link I gave you, thank you."

No thankyou, I neither have the time nor the patience to go through the delusions of self appointed historians.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2015, 03:02:52 PM »
Please provide the quranic verse that says Jerusalem is no longer the qibla, it will be mecca now.

Thank you!

Please provide the verse that Jerusalem ever was the Qibla to begin with.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #112 on: July 25, 2015, 03:04:10 PM »
"1. mecca is not mentioned in quran as the qiblah"

And the temple mount is? Is that what you're saying?

"2. mecca was historically insignificant in that time period in all regards"

Mecca was and is historically very important before and after the advent of Islam. It was a place for religious congregation of other faiths before the Muhammad spread his message, and that is history which is not denied by anyone other than self appointed historians and linguists of free minds forum. Historians with much greater knowledge than you have not denied the fact.

"3. Don't be a lazy ass and read the link I gave you, thank you."

No thankyou, I neither have the time nor the patience to go through the delusions of self appointed historians.

Yes that's what I'm saying.  I'm not inventing history bro the revolt against heraclius and the sassanid conquer of Jerusalem is well documented.  The collaboration of jews with polytheists (sassanids) as well.  So is the the islamic conquer of Jerusalem documented.   I guess you are just afraid to look at the evidence.  To me it's equal just know I think you are a fool that prays in the direction of a meteorite.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #113 on: July 25, 2015, 03:04:34 PM »
The change in Qibla is a hadith lie.  Why would God appoint two qiblas for one faith under one God?

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Qibla is only a direction of Prayer. It can be where ever God says that it is. If you have a problem, then take it up with God.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #114 on: July 25, 2015, 03:05:54 PM »
Qibla is only a direction of Prayer. It can be where ever God says that it is. If you have a problem, then take it up with God.

I'm convinced God will take this up with you sometime :-)

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #115 on: July 25, 2015, 03:06:45 PM »
Yes that's what I'm saying.  I'm not inventing history bro the revolt against heraclius and the sassanid conquer of Jerusalem is well documented.  The collaboration of jews with polytheists (sassanids) as well.  So is the the islamic conquer of Jerusalem documented.   I guess you are just afraid to look at the evidence.  To me it's equal just know I think you are a fool that prays in the direction of a meteorite.

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To be honest I have no idea what you're saying or what your trying to prove with this post. Kindly elaborate.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #116 on: July 25, 2015, 03:07:49 PM »
You already showed you are unwilling to look at counterevidence when I linked you the thread where I elaborate it.  It's still there for you to find.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #117 on: July 25, 2015, 03:09:47 PM »
I'm convinced God will take this up with you sometime :-)

Can you plz refer to me the verse where God says in the Quran that Jerusalem was ever a Qibla for the Mualims? Is this not something you have taken from the hadith literature while at the same time ignoring that the hadith says that the new Qibla is Kaaba in mecca?

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« Reply #118 on: July 25, 2015, 03:13:36 PM »
You already showed you are unwilling to look at counterevidence when I linked you the thread where I elaborate it.  It's still there for you to find.

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If there was counter evidence then I would look at it. I do not look at conjecture or a person hopeful assumptions on historical issues.

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Re: Bakka/Mecca
« Reply #119 on: July 25, 2015, 03:15:44 PM »
Can you plz refer to me the verse where God says in the Quran that Jerusalem was ever a Qibla for the Mualims? Is this not something you have taken from the hadith literature while at the same time ignoring that the hadith says that the new Qibla is Kaaba in mecca?

"The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bibakkata (Bakkah): Blessed and a guidance for all kinds of beings" 003.096

Psalm 84

84.1        How amiable are thy tabernacles, O LORD of hosts!
84.2        My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD: my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living God.
84.3        Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God.
84.4        Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah.
84.5        Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.

84.6        Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.

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