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Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« on: December 10, 2014, 11:41:37 PM »
Peace,

http://idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165

The investigated Qur?an manuscript with the signature MA VI 165
http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/middle-east/worlds-oldest-quran-discovered-and-may-be-linked-to-imam-ali-30011/

WASHINGTON, November 19, 2014 ? Researchers from the Project Coranica at the University Library in T?bingen, Germany have discovered a copy of the Quran that may be the oldest in the world, dating to within 20-40 years of the death of Islam?s Prophet Muhammad. The copy of the Quran, dubbed Ma VI 165 by scientists, appears in the famous ?Kufic script?, popularized by Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib who moved the center of the Islamic government to Kufa in the after being elected as ?Caliph? in 656 AD. The manuscript ?with a 95.4% statistical probability can be dated to the period between Ad 649 -675,? according to Medieval Histories Magazine.




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Re: Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2014, 02:45:08 AM »
Interesting finding. Peace be upon the Imam of Guidance, Master of the believers and chief of the Monotheists 'Ali bin Abi Talib. the association of this text to our Imam (Peace be upon him) is merely speculative.

The point you were making is the apparent "scribal errors". Please elaborate
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Re: Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2014, 12:00:29 PM »
Interesting finding. Peace be upon the Imam of Guidance, Master of the believers and chief of the Monotheists 'Ali bin Abi Talib. the association of this text to our Imam (Peace be upon him) is merely speculative.

Yes very interesting waiting to see rest of text although scribe is unknown only speculation.

The point you were making is the apparent "scribal errors". Please elaborate

No was pointing out their error in stating it starts with verse 17:37 when it's actually 17:36...

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The MA VI 165 manuscript appears to contain a large section of the Quran, from Chapter 17, verse 37 to Chapter 36, verse 57.
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Likewise wanted to point out end of verse markers and every 10th verse was marked as well.

Here is download choose larger file gro?, 132 MB it's more clear:

http://idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165

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Re: Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2014, 03:23:27 AM »
Peace -- chapter 36 initials ىس ya seen verse not numbered...
started count والقران and the Qur?an الحكىم the wise


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Re: Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2014, 01:58:57 AM »
Peace, had a request to clarify last post above...

The scribe seems to have not numbered initials e.g. early Qur'ans they placed a heavy dot at end of 10 verses kind of a check-sum as can bee seen e.g. chapter 17 (not initialed) heavy dot is at end of verse 17:40 i.e. end 40 verses....



Whereas chapter 36 initialed ya seen heavy dot is end of 36:11 and not at 36:10 or ten verses?

Thus scribe did not count initials as verse numbers; need to check consistency other chapters.




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Re: Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2014, 10:02:36 AM »
Very interesting.
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Re: Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2014, 10:22:09 AM »
Salaamun alaykum, Noon Waalqalami,

Thank you for the clarification. I was able to check today, and the ayat YaaSeen is numbered 36:1 in the 6 Riwaayat originating from Kufa. It is not numbered in the 8 Riwaayat originating (2 each) in Basra, Damascus, Madinah and Makkah. In these it is combined with the following ayat (in Kufa Riwaayat 36:2) as 36:1. As a result, Sura 36 in Kufa Riwaayat has 83 numbered ayats, whereas in the other 8 Riwaayat it has 82 ayats.

Salaam, Milan

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Re: Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2015, 12:22:27 PM »
Salaamun alaykum, Noon Waalqalami,

Thank you for the clarification. I was able to check today, and the ayat YaaSeen is numbered 36:1 in the 6 Riwaayat originating from Kufa. It is not numbered in the 8 Riwaayat originating (2 each) in Basra, Damascus, Madinah and Makkah. In these it is combined with the following ayat (in Kufa Riwaayat 36:2) as 36:1. As a result, Sura 36 in Kufa Riwaayat has 83 numbered ayats, whereas in the other 8 Riwaayat it has 82 ayats.

Salaam, Milan

Peace Milan, are those manuscripts available online; was thinking to learn the style replicate my own Qu'ran in Kufic script?

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Re: Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2015, 03:42:32 PM »
Peace,

http://idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165

The investigated Qur?an manuscript with the signature MA VI 165
http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/middle-east/worlds-oldest-quran-discovered-and-may-be-linked-to-imam-ali-30011/

WASHINGTON, November 19, 2014 ? Researchers from the Project Coranica at the University Library in T?bingen, Germany have discovered a copy of the Quran that may be the oldest in the world, dating to within 20-40 years of the death of Islam?s Prophet Muhammad. The copy of the Quran, dubbed Ma VI 165 by scientists, appears in the famous ?Kufic script?, popularized by Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib who moved the center of the Islamic government to Kufa in the after being elected as ?Caliph? in 656 AD. The manuscript ?with a 95.4% statistical probability can be dated to the period between Ad 649 -675,? according to Medieval Histories Magazine.



Salam Noon/

Are you really sure these are the oldest Quran?

Peace
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Re: Oldest Qur?an manuscript MA VI 165
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2015, 11:54:01 PM »
Salam Noon/

Are you really sure these are the oldest Quran?

Peace

Peace Hizbullah,



The photo shows taking a sample and using carbon-14 dating on three samples of the manuscript parchment, the researchers concluded that it was more than 95 percent likely to have originated in the period 649-675.

PERF 558 is oldest Arabic papyrus ~643. It is a bilingual Arabic-Greek tax receipt for delivery of sheep.

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