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Jafar

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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2014, 10:09:00 PM »
I wanted to share this, one of the reasons I left Islam in the past was the lack of recompense to women, BUT that is only what the translation says...

The actual meanings of "Companion" (hoor al-ayn) depends on the eye of the beholder.
For some (straight adult) men, they think they shall have girls to do sex orgies..
And this has become the 'most popular view'.
No wonder it ain't compelling to gays, (straight) women or children.

The one that I'm most intrigued about is actually the 'sexual urge' itself.
Given.... there's no need of doing species reproduction, why should there be any 'sexual urge'?
Sexual urge is driven by hormone to ensure the longevity of the species (reproduction)
And that's why children doesn't have any.

In my (personal) view, in jannah (if it really exist) people will become 'genderless' and 'non-sexual'.


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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2014, 12:23:52 AM »

Sex is whatever one makes of it, like most things. It may ennoble, it may demean. And like all the physical things it is an allegory of a deeper reality.

If we ennoble it here, like if we ennoble anything else here we will have it in the purest state when we leave the material world. The material world is reality flatenned out to three or four dimensions. Just like a picture is a relaity flatenned to two dimensions. Our life here is constricted because it is material. In the Other we will recognize things, but they will be beyond what we can conceive now. I think to start with one may feel absolutely lost till one gets a "foothold". But I don't know.

What the Qur'an says, I can't remember the aya, we will get what we desire. By that of course, I do not understand the 72 sex servicers or anything of the kind, but those desires, the deep desires of the heart for beauty, justice, rahma, joy, trust, compannionship, extasis..., whatever our heart desires. We don't get in this world all we crave for, but the mere belief in it makes for a satisfactory life. In sha Allah may we all attain to that and may God forgive us our little material meannesses.

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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2014, 02:02:16 PM »
Hello! thank you all for your replies :-)

I wanted to share it for the purpose I mentioned, for women so we wont be discouraged, or maybe for the new hadith followers reading the forum, who knows?

We already know its an interesting topic for all , feel free to share it if you want to but dont try to make fun of my "good logic" on where or when sharing things. Thank you.
Btw I dont feel bad if some guys comment here, I suppose we could have an "al about women" category but not restricted to women...we dont need that "women are worst/shameful" thing.

I also think hoor as whiteness could mean pureness, well only God knows.

And I think I read somewhere in Quran that God will repeat creation for the last time in 29:20 , so there will be no need for companions for procreation, maybe for fun, or who knows? Only God knows.

Share if you want and see those hadith followers confused! Thats the first stage of learning.

Thank you all! :-)

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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2014, 02:51:21 PM »
We already know its an interesting topic for all , feel free to share it if you want to but dont try to make fun of my "good logic" on where or when sharing things. Thank you.

Bold:  Perhaps this addressed to me?

Don't worry, sister lila. I was just joking with my big brother.  :D

Brother good logic is very kind and helpful, one of my best friends here, and also my big brother in faith.

Salām.
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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2014, 04:33:16 AM »
Bold:  Perhaps this addressed to me?

Don't worry, sister lila. I was just joking with my big brother.  :D

Brother good logic is very kind and helpful, one of my best friends here, and also my big brother in faith.

Salām.

Yes, I thought it could be it and my sentence is quite ridiculous in that case!  :o
10 points for lila going mad  8)

I´M SORRY for the misunderstanding and "possibly rude" words,  :confused:  really

And THANKS! for participating !  :D

Salaam!

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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2014, 02:00:00 PM »
It's okay.

You're welcome, dear sister.

Salām.  :)
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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2016, 06:42:30 AM »
This is a really cool video that Seyyed Hossein Nasr answers this specific question about paradise.

Check it out: https://youtu.be/OkbOGNzR99s


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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2017, 05:49:33 AM »
This is the topic that actually started my doubts. There are those who translate the word "hoor" (plural for "Hawra" (female) and "Ahwar" (male)) as pure companions. I'm quite content with such a definition and it makes sense.
“Every leaf of the tree becomes a page of the book, once the heart is opened and it has learnt to read.” - Saadi of Shiraz.

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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2017, 07:39:30 AM »
This is the topic that actually started my doubts. There are those who translate the word "hoor" (plural for "Hawra" (female) and "Ahwar" (male)) as pure companions. I'm quite content with such a definition and it makes sense.
There is this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHnkQwb3ZQ

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Re: About companions in paradise... for women! :O
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2017, 08:22:38 AM »
There is this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHnkQwb3ZQ

Thanks! I'll watch it, in'sha'Allah. I subscribed to that channel fairly recently actually because I wanted to check them out.
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