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What is the Qur'ans stance on homosexuality?

Started by bilalqureshi21, July 31, 2014, 06:17:03 PM

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runninglikezebras

Peace,

I agree with the essence of your message.  With one exception, I do not think "Yahfadu Furujahum" nullifies striving to get a correct translation of 29:29.  It contains a fabrication in translation that specifically targets a group of people with a certain sexual preference.  No matter our sexual preference we should lower our gaze and try not to act only on lust.  But if we keep the hadith influence in 29:29 no matter if homosexuals lower their gaze and do everything right, people will still find (false) Quranic proof to judge them based on what they do with a loyal partner in mutual consent or while remaining chaste.
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si di

If Homosexuality is the sin why all,women,chikdren,animals in the City should be punished?
When Our Messengers came to Abraham with the good news, they said: "We are indeed going to destroy the people of this township: for truly they are (addicted to) crime." (31) He said: "But there is Lut there." They said: "We know well who is there: we will certainly save him and his following― except his wife: she is of those who lag behind!" (32) And when Our Messengers came to Lut, he was grieved on their account, and felt himself powerless (to protect) them: but they said "Fear thou not nor grieve: we are (here) to save thee and thy following, except thy wife: she is of those who lag behind. (33) "For we are going to bring down on the people of this township a Punishment from heaven, because they have been wickedly rebellious." (34) And We have left thereof an evident Sign, for any people who (care to) understand. (35)
What is this evident sign?Some say it is the Dead Ocean.
Why this genocide?Is there something wrong with the Gens of this People to be vanished?Ponder over "...for truly they are crime....because they have been wickedly rebellious."

runninglikezebras

Good point.  It does not make sense if the essence of the accusation was homosexuality.  It would make no sense destroying the whole city.  It's just not possible the entire town was homosexual without exception including children, women. 

Again if we look at the correct accusation, wanting the angels rejecting Luts proposal and commiting evil it starts making sense.
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si di

Yes,this is the right accusation for the Gang of the City rushing to Lut.
1.wanting the angels
2.rejecting luts proposal
And the accusation for the City
All evil deeds
By the way Adam and his spouse after approaching to the Tree they became one of the "Thalimoun" like the People of Lut and their punisment was Exil.The other term is  "Fasiq" transgessing the rule of god makes you to become one of them.Sodom is not the only place in the world were divine punishment took place for example Pompeji is a good example why the volcano covered the town,you find People mumifised in coitus.

Scrappy-doo


👁️"Marriage in the Qur'an is nothing more than ? literally ? a contract between a man and a woman in which the man provides the woman with financial support in return for exclusive sexual access. It?s a contract that makes sex and reproduction legal in the eyes of God and legitimate in the eyes of society. Since marriage is a contract premised on vaginal intercourse and financial obligation between a man and a woman, same-sex couples could not engage in one. They could construct an arrangement for inheritance and shared property that mimicked marriage, but it would not be marriage." (Variety: Jonathan AC Brown)

👄The moral law is defined by God - not us, and the PATTERN (each creature has it's own) as defined by God is explained in the verses below: but do they include same sex relationships?

📗49:13 "Mankind! We have created you from a male and female, and made you into peoples and tribes, so that you might come to know each other. The noblest of you in God's sight is the one who fears God most. God is all knowing and all-aware."

📗53:45 "That He created pairs (couples, mates, spouses), male and female,"

📗75:39 "producing from it both sexes, male and female.

📗92:3 "By Him who created the male and the female,"

📗2:223 "Your women are a cultivation for you. So approach your cultivation as you wish towards goodness. And be aware of God and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers."

📗42:49-50 "The kingdom of the heavens and the earth belongs to God. He creates what he wills. He gives daughters to whomever He wills, and He gives sons to whom He wills, or grants both, sons and daughters, ˹to whoever He wills˺, and leaves whoever He wills infertile. He is indeed All-Knowing, Most Capable."

👄God has a pattern/system, and in order to be bil-mutaqīna (God conscious) it is important to follow his system especially when it comes to our relationships. If you cannot, then this sign gives you the answer:

📗24:33 "Let those who cannot find someone to marry, maintain chastity until God helps you with his grace... "

👄This is how I understand the verses given. It is not personal toward anyone, nor am I standing in judgement.

📗2:45 "And seek help through patience and prayer, and indeed, it is difficult except for the humbly submissive [to Allah] "

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Zulf

Isn't the whole marriage and monogamy business all about 1) social stability, and 2) personal stability (practical, financial, psychological, physical...)
Not sure same sex unions is rejected here. What would be the point to reject it?
Just pondring. Not taking any particular side.
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huruf

Quote from: Zulf on August 22, 2018, 09:33:30 AM
Isn't the whole marriage and monogamy business all about 1) social stability, and 2) personal stability (practical, financial, psychological, physical...)
Not sure same sex unions is rejected here. What would be the point to reject it?
Just pondring. Not taking any particular side.

The question is man and oman procure the reposition of generations. reproduction. Homosexuality does not procure anything of such trascendence. So it is for the self care of society that a frame is put on to protect reproduction. For instance a marriage of a woman past menopause is not of the same trascendence as a woman who is still reproductive.

So in fact there is not reason for the Qur'an or anybody or anything else to adopt a stand regarding personal, individual relationships. That would be a personal question and not a social question. Just like friendship, o may be it would just be a friendship.

It is the bogus social accoutrments of marriage that has made that nowadays people of same sex want ta romantic marriage. it is a cultural thing, not a real need for the society.

Salaam 

hawk99

Peace,

Can anyone provide ayats from Allah regarding homosexuality,
and not from prophet lot, but instructions, commandments from
the creator.
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Rilum

Peace,
I am not exactly sure.
Well hawk99, one can maybe take the verses 27:55, 7:81 as ayats regarding homosexuality from Allah.

imrankhawaja

Quote from: hawk99 on August 22, 2018, 08:51:59 PM
Peace,

Can anyone provide ayats from Allah regarding homosexuality,
and not from prophet lot, but instructions, commandments from
the creator.

peace,

Homosexuality 4:15-16, 26:165-166, 27:55, 29:28-29,

source FM

prophet lot is the only personality who deals with this issue .. so he must be in the show for running the picture..

but as we discuss earlier many months ago i evolve my understanding .. on people who are catagorised as in between male and female...
so by defualt the laws of (male vs male) (female vs female) exempt from the catagory above...

i experienced this because i see this with my own eyes ..there is a normality in the system of God but a perfection in everything only belong to God .so in creation and births there may b some abnormalities in some cases .. its very normal...

God bless you brother