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Is it true people/communities/countries that hold salawat are the prosperous?

Started by 357, July 12, 2014, 09:19:15 AM

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Is it true people/communities/countries that hold salawat are the prosperous?

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Man of Faith

Peace 357,

The prayer itself does not make you righteous and hence not prosperous. It is the many good deeds that you do and your strong faith that will bring you peace and prosperity

Praying is an intensifier showing your confirmation of God and also gratification if you read something like a table prayer or prostrate in adoration in the bedchamber because you are so grateful. The prayer is just like the word itself implies a request for something so you say what you need and your wishes to The Master. Both reading the first chapter of the book called Quran and "The Lord's prayer" taught by Jesus are about requesting something from God which should not be forgotten and God does not hear you because of your many words.

Salawat on the other hand is about keeping or establishing communion among the people, ie the unity and not dividing into sects and has nothing directly to do with prayer. The communion and purification is a precept for peace and prosperity. Search for Webster's dictionary from 1828 for a good definition of the word communion.

And peace and prosperity does not necessarily imply grand wealth but an inner peace and comfort both in this life but especially in the next. God will provide for your needs with strong faith too so it is not impossible that you gain wealth but that is not the meaning of prosperity.

If you have seen Star Wars your feeling will be like the Jedi with their peace and calm within their souls.

Have faith
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JavaLatte

Quote from: amin on July 12, 2014, 11:11:08 PM
Religious places are nothing but common places where the community group themselves, discuss, plan and act for their well being. Our current life style is very different from our ancestor's thousands of years before, Those practices made sense and very much usefull to them, but some of us are ritualistic for us because we've lost the meaning of it.

Reminded me of this verse.

19:59 Then after them, came generation who neglected salat, and followed their desires, so they shall encounter error.


Salām.
[33:72] Verily, We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to bear it and they were afraid of it; but man bear it - verily, he was transgressing, ignorant.

JavaLatte

Quote from: Man of Faith on July 13, 2014, 02:39:56 AM
And peace and prosperity does not necessarily imply grand wealth but an inner peace and comfort both in this life but especially in the next. God will provide for your needs with strong faith too so it is not impossible that you gain wealth but that is not the meaning of prosperity.

Indeed. True and beautiful!

Salām.
[33:72] Verily, We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to bear it and they were afraid of it; but man bear it - verily, he was transgressing, ignorant.

Zulf

According to me..
When we come to this world we are all thrown into conditions that have qualities tailored for us as a test according to what lessons we need to learn. We are here for transformation, not play. Each individual may have the same overall lesson to learn, which is to open the eyes and get back to truth and reality and God, thus see through the illusion we temporarily are trapped in. We are here to learn how NOT to get trapped in the nets of temptation. We are here to get on track, purify ourselves and maintain a correct vision.

Each of us may have different weaknesses and characteristics, and hence we need different lessons to go through to achieve the growth. Some may be tested through wealth and some may be tested through poverty. Everyone has different conditions. Just because someone is wealthy doesn't mean they are more lucky or blessed. It may be more challenging for them to be good when they are wealthy. But everything can be considered a blessing, if you're thankful and grateful. It's amazing, it seems that every condition can be either a curse or a blessing, depending on how you relate to it. The responsibility really lies on us to shape our lives, but we should always remember and acknowledge that we cannot achieve or do anything without the leave of God.

But I also think that when we call ourselves unlucky because we or not wealthy, or we say that life is unfair, then it just means that we don't realize what life is all about, and there is much more wisdom to gain. We're probably still in the phase and mentality of blaming the outside for our problems. We cannot blame others, or life, or God.... we are not helpless victims. The rope of God is always there, if we'd just see it.

Peace
If you name me, you negate me.

hafeez kazi

Peace all

Life in this world is not eternal therefore prosperity or success is not meant for this world but for the life after death which is eternal.

When Allah says that those who believe in HIM, HIS messengers, HIS books revealed, Last DAY of Judgment, in the unseen, establishes SALAT and give ZAKAT are successful that means they will be successful and no one can challenge this proclamation of Allah.

All believers irrespective of MEN, WOMEN, RICH and POOR have to observe all the above directives to become successful, but according to our tradition the POOR does not give ZAKAT but receive, therefore in this scenario the POOR can never be successful. Such kind of thinking does not fall in the line with Allah. All the directives are for all believers irrespective of men, women, male and female, except mentioned in the Quran

The believing men and believing WOMEN are allies of one another. THEY (believing men and believing WOMEN) enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and establish prayer and GIVE ZAKAT and obey Allah and His Messenger. Those - Allah will have mercy upon them. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. 9:71

ALL believers (MEN, WOMEN, POOR and RICH) should GIVE ZAKAT and there is no concession for the FEMALE believers and the POOR MEN. But today ONLY MEN, AND NOT WOMEN, THE RICH AND NOT POOR and who have resources GIVE ZAKAT? Read the directives of Hajj it is mandatory only for the people who can afford the expenses, read the directives of Fasting it is mandatory for those people who have the power to fast, but for Zakat nothing is mentioned therefore it is an act mandatory for all believers.

How the believers will be successful without Fasting, without Hajj, without executing the DO's and preventing themselves from the DONT's of Allah mentioned in the Quran. What about murder, Zina, Usury, orphan's property and many others. Why all theses directives are missing in the proclamation of Allah? Why has He left out so many things and gave importance only to the above mentioned directives to become successful. What about righteous deeds which is a must to make an entry to Paradise?

Those who if We ESTABLISH them (gave them power / authority) in the earth, ESTABLISH the SALAT  and GIVE ZAKAT and command that which is reputable and restrain from that which is disreputable   and unto Allah is the end of all affair 22:41

Is AUTHORITY or POWER in the LAND needed to ESTABLISH SALAT and GIVE ZAKAT? Has ZAKAT any link to to power or authority? If it is Charity then why it needs power or authority in the land? If SALAT is a ritual then why it needs Power and authority in the Land?

Those people who are expelled from their homes and if they are established in the earth then they establish the prayer and give zakat otherwise they don?t establish the prayer and give zakat. What nonsense is this? Do we really need power / authority   to offer prayers or give zakat?   


And a bearer of burthen will not bear another's burthen, and if one heavy-laden calleth for his load, naught thereof will be borne although he be of kin. Thou canst WARN only those who fear their Lord, unseen, and ESTABLISH SALAT and whosoever becomes clean becomes clean only for himself; and Unto Allah is the return 35:18

You can only WARN one who FOLLOWS THE MESSAGE Land fears the Most Merciful unseen. So give him good tidings of forgiveness and noble reward.36:11

Warning is heeded by only those who ESTABLISH THE SALAT / FOLLOWS THE MESSAGE. Have you ever came accross a person who prays five times who heeds to the warning when warned? No, you will never find. But you will find plenty who follow the Message of Allah.

Salat is something which is ESTABLISHED by an individual and also ESTABLISHED by the SOCIETY/GOVERNMENT when they are in authority or have power. So what is that.

What needs to be Established? 

And had they أَقَامُوا  ESTABLISHED the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was sent down unto them from their Lord, they would have devoured from above them and from beneath them. Among them is a community right-doing; but many of them - vile is that which they work! 5:66

The Torah and the Injeel were sent down as guidance to mankind and to ESTABLISH the commands therein. The Quran was also sent down to be ESTABLISHED, but the Muslims failed in their covenant with Allah   

Say thou: people of the Book! You are not on anything until تُقِيمُوا  you ESTABLISH the Taurat (the commands and guidance therein) and the Injeel (the commands  and the guidance therein) and (ESTABLISH) that which is now sent down unto you (Quran) from your Lord. And that which hath been sent down unto thee (Quran) will surely increase many of them in exorbitance and infidelity; so mourn thou not over and disbelieving people 5:68

The likeness of those who are entrusted with the TORAH, yet apply it not, is as the likeness of the ass carrying books. Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the revelations of Allah. And Allah guides not wrongdoing folk. 62:5

How better are the Muslims than the people of the Book? Muslims are also donkeys carrying the load of Quran on their back but follow the laws, ritual, instructions and guidance of the HADITH.

Quran was revealed with the purpose of establishing its command mentioned therein and not for reciting purpose during Salat. The commands in the Quran must be established by the individual / society/government.

Salat has many meanings in the Quran and depends upon the subject of the Quran.

Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), وَأَقِمِ  and establish الصَّلَاةَ  the COMMUNICATION لِذِكْرِ  for MY MESSAGE 20:14

Majority of the believers interpret ZIKR as REMEMBRANCE, but ZIKR also means Mesasage/Reminder which is divine revelation.

But it is nothing less than a ذِكْرٌ  Message to all the worlds. (68: 52)

This was the first communication between Allah and Moses and in the very first communication Moses understood what SALAT is. Moses was nurtured in the house of Pharaoh since his infancy period and Pharaoh was an atheist and considered himself as a god. In such environment how come Moses understood what SALAT is and without being taught by Allah? No Torah was revealed to him so that he could recite some verses from it as the Muslims recite verses from the Quran without understanding. It is very simple since Allah communicated with Moses therefore Moses understood Salat as a COMMUNICATION and whenever he had problems with respect to the Message he used to establish the communication with the Lord for guidance. Unfortunately this verse is not revealed to Prophet Muhammad.

He said: O Moses! I have preferred thee above mankind by My messages and by My speaking / words (unto thee). So hold that which I have given thee, and be الشَّاكِرِينَ  among the  THANKFUL. 7:144

Moses was only the Prophet to whom Allah spoke. Allah and Moses had many intercommunication between them and is mentioned in the Quran.

Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the ذِكْرِ اللَّهِ Remembrance of Allah, and from SALAT: will ye not then abstain? (Al-Maaida: 91)

Remembrance of Allah and SALAT are two different things. Remembrance of Allah is 24/365 whereas SALAT is COMMUNICATION with Allah 2/3/5 times (whatever you interpret) and its ingredients are praising Allah, repenting to Allah for whatever for intetional/unintentional for errors/sins/crime, asking for forgiveness and guidance and  saving us from the fire which is prepared for the contraveners and thanking Him in whatever condition you are. If you are serious in Remembrance and Communication then this will make you a righteous believer.

O you who have believed, seek help through patience and SALAT. Indeed, Allah is with the patient. (Al-Baqara: 153)

to be contd...

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A.Wayne

Quote from: hafeez kazi on July 13, 2014, 07:04:09 AM
Peace all

Life in this world is not eternal therefore prosperity or success is not meant for this world but for the life after death which is eternal.

When Allah says that those who believe in HIM, HIS messengers, HIS books revealed, Last DAY of Judgment, in the unseen, establishes SALAT and give ZAKAT are successful that means they will be successful and no one can challenge this proclamation of Allah.

All believers irrespective of MEN, WOMEN, RICH and POOR have to observe all the above directives to become successful, but according to our tradition the POOR does not give ZAKAT but receive, therefore in this scenario the POOR can never be successful. Such kind of thinking does not fall in the line with Allah. All the directives are for all believers irrespective of men, women, male and female, except mentioned in the Quran

The believing men and believing WOMEN are allies of one another. THEY (believing men and believing WOMEN) enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and establish prayer and GIVE ZAKAT and obey Allah and His Messenger. Those - Allah will have mercy upon them. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. 9:71

ALL believers (MEN, WOMEN, POOR and RICH) should GIVE ZAKAT and there is no concession for the FEMALE believers and the POOR MEN. But today ONLY MEN, AND NOT WOMEN, THE RICH AND NOT POOR and who have resources GIVE ZAKAT? Read the directives of Hajj it is mandatory only for the people who can afford the expenses, read the directives of Fasting it is mandatory for those people who have the power to fast, but for Zakat nothing is mentioned therefore it is an act mandatory for all believers.

How the believers will be successful without Fasting, without Hajj, without executing the DO's and preventing themselves from the DONT's of Allah mentioned in the Quran. What about murder, Zina, Usury, orphan's property and many others. Why all theses directives are missing in the proclamation of Allah? Why has He left out so many things and gave importance only to the above mentioned directives to become successful. What about righteous deeds which is a must to make an entry to Paradise?

Those who if We ESTABLISH them (gave them power / authority) in the earth, ESTABLISH the SALAT  and GIVE ZAKAT and command that which is reputable and restrain from that which is disreputable   and unto Allah is the end of all affair 22:41

Is AUTHORITY or POWER in the LAND needed to ESTABLISH SALAT and GIVE ZAKAT? Has ZAKAT any link to to power or authority? If it is Charity then why it needs power or authority in the land? If SALAT is a ritual then why it needs Power and authority in the Land?

Those people who are expelled from their homes and if they are established in the earth then they establish the prayer and give zakat otherwise they don?t establish the prayer and give zakat. What nonsense is this? Do we really need power / authority   to offer prayers or give zakat?   


And a bearer of burthen will not bear another's burthen, and if one heavy-laden calleth for his load, naught thereof will be borne although he be of kin. Thou canst WARN only those who fear their Lord, unseen, and ESTABLISH SALAT and whosoever becomes clean becomes clean only for himself; and Unto Allah is the return 35:18

You can only WARN one who FOLLOWS THE MESSAGE Land fears the Most Merciful unseen. So give him good tidings of forgiveness and noble reward.36:11

Warning is heeded by only those who ESTABLISH THE SALAT / FOLLOWS THE MESSAGE. Have you ever came accross a person who prays five times who heeds to the warning when warned? No, you will never find. But you will find plenty who follow the Message of Allah.

Salat is something which is ESTABLISHED by an individual and also ESTABLISHED by the SOCIETY/GOVERNMENT when they are in authority or have power. So what is that.

What needs to be Established? 

And had they أَقَامُوا  ESTABLISHED the Taurat and the Injeel and that which was sent down unto them from their Lord, they would have devoured from above them and from beneath them. Among them is a community right-doing; but many of them - vile is that which they work! 5:66

The Torah and the Injeel were sent down as guidance to mankind and to ESTABLISH the commands therein. The Quran was also sent down to be ESTABLISHED, but the Muslims failed in their covenant with Allah   

Say thou: people of the Book! You are not on anything until تُقِيمُوا  you ESTABLISH the Taurat (the commands and guidance therein) and the Injeel (the commands  and the guidance therein) and (ESTABLISH) that which is now sent down unto you (Quran) from your Lord. And that which hath been sent down unto thee (Quran) will surely increase many of them in exorbitance and infidelity; so mourn thou not over and disbelieving people 5:68

The likeness of those who are entrusted with the TORAH, yet apply it not, is as the likeness of the ass carrying books. Wretched is the likeness of folk who deny the revelations of Allah. And Allah guides not wrongdoing folk. 62:5

How better are the Muslims than the people of the Book? Muslims are also donkeys carrying the load of Quran on their back but follow the laws, ritual, instructions and guidance of the HADITH.

Quran was revealed with the purpose of establishing its command mentioned therein and not for reciting purpose during Salat. The commands in the Quran must be established by the individual / society/government.

Salat has many meanings in the Quran and depends upon the subject of the Quran.

Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), وَأَقِمِ  and establish الصَّلَاةَ  the COMMUNICATION لِذِكْرِ  for MY MESSAGE 20:14

Majority of the believers interpret ZIKR as REMEMBRANCE, but ZIKR also means Mesasage/Reminder which is divine revelation.

But it is nothing less than a ذِكْرٌ  Message to all the worlds. (68: 52)

This was the first communication between Allah and Moses and in the very first communication Moses understood what SALAT is. Moses was nurtured in the house of Pharaoh since his infancy period and Pharaoh was an atheist and considered himself as a god. In such environment how come Moses understood what SALAT is and without being taught by Allah? No Torah was revealed to him so that he could recite some verses from it as the Muslims recite verses from the Quran without understanding. It is very simple since Allah communicated with Moses therefore Moses understood Salat as a COMMUNICATION and whenever he had problems with respect to the Message he used to establish the communication with the Lord for guidance. Unfortunately this verse is not revealed to Prophet Muhammad.

He said: O Moses! I have preferred thee above mankind by My messages and by My speaking / words (unto thee). So hold that which I have given thee, and be الشَّاكِرِينَ  among the  THANKFUL. 7:144

Moses was only the Prophet to whom Allah spoke. Allah and Moses had many intercommunication between them and is mentioned in the Quran.

Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the ذِكْرِ اللَّهِ Remembrance of Allah, and from SALAT: will ye not then abstain? (Al-Maaida: 91)

Remembrance of Allah and SALAT are two different things. Remembrance of Allah is 24/365 whereas SALAT is COMMUNICATION with Allah 2/3/5 times (whatever you interpret) and its ingredients are praising Allah, repenting to Allah for whatever for intetional/unintentional for errors/sins/crime, asking for forgiveness and guidance and  saving us from the fire which is prepared for the contraveners and thanking Him in whatever condition you are. If you are serious in Remembrance and Communication then this will make you a righteous believer.

O you who have believed, seek help through patience and SALAT. Indeed, Allah is with the patient. (Al-Baqara: 153)

to be contd...

Thanks

Peace,

Excellent analysis brother, really good. As with all things, The God knows what the correct understanding is, but your logic seems sound.

How do you think wudu ties into this, though?

hafeez kazi

Peace Wayne

The reasons of Wadhu is best known by Allah and no mankind has ever explained and will ever explain the reason of Wadhu before the SALAT.  Whatever explanation we offer it will be nothing except conjecture or fantasy. Based on the experience of living in this world what we do understand is that when we are in the social gathering we are in the best of our clothes, shoes and ties etc. similarly when we meet Allah spiritually on the appointed times of meeting we need to be clean from impurity and wash the open parts of our body. Since Allah is not interested in clothing therefore it is not our concern. Meeting with Allah is a special moment of our life. How do we present ourselves when we are invited by our country's President to meet him. The Wadhu makes us feel that we are about to meet Allah and we prepare our mind for the communication. The communication need to be in your language because you should understand what you SAY in the SALAT.

O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through [a place of prayer], until you have washed [your whole body]. And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands [with it]. Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. 4:43

SALAT is SAYING and not RECITING and when you SAY TO  Allah then Allah listens but when you recite QUL YA AYYUHAL KAAFIROON LAA ABUDU MA TA' BUDUN, then how will Allah react ( O my slave what are you are doing you are commanding ME to SAY O disbelievers I serve not that you serve, don't you have common sense)

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Zulf

Water is regarded to cleanse the energy field that envelope the physical body. Wudhu might be related to this function. Whether conjecture or fantasy, it still has a cleansing effect, regardless what wudhu is actually for.
If you name me, you negate me.

hafeez kazi

Peace Zulf

Logically and scientifically your definition is correct.

Thanks

357

Quote from: good logic on July 12, 2014, 11:12:26 PM
Peace 367.

How do " disbelievers" or those who oppose God keep contact with God to get their prosperity? Surely some are prosperous in this world?

They never do any prayers, since they do not believe! However, some are useful to others and do good?
Do you have to keep "contact " with God to be prosperous in this world?
Do you do " contact " with GOD to seek prosperity in this world?

God bless you.
Peace.

Well, the quran shows us a way of prosperity - for all.

People who do not believe in such a way or go in opposition are non believers.

example of a non-believer.
a group of people went into a home in karachi and found three female members , first they raped them and then they took what ever valuables they could find.

Now that is surely a way to loss and not prosperity - the thieves would have some assets for a while and then probably do the same thing again.

some people like to label people of the west or east as non believers - just because they use different names for a prosperous peaceful coexistence way. Well that doesn't mean they are non believers surely .

Prosperity for all doesn't come in any other way but with contact with God, whether you call God God or something else.

:hmm