The NONSENSE people make about Allah

[muslims]

Facts:

          God has taught me bla bla bla, therefore I am bla bla bla.
          God has guided me bla bla bla, therefore I am bla bla bla.
          God has inspired me bla bla bla, therefore I am bla bla bla.

          and any other similar statements


The issue:

Can anyone prove or be certain that God taught, guided, and inspired them etc, or God is leading them astray ?

and when God clearly said:


          Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this narrative
          We will entice them
          from where they do not perceive
          And I will lead them on
          for My planning is formidable
          68:44-45


          As for those who deny Our revelations
          We will entice them
          from where they do not know
          7.182


          And from the people are those who say:

                    "We believe in God and in the Last Day,"

          but they are not believers

          They seek to deceive God and those who believe
          but they only deceive themselves
          without noticing
          2.8-9

If no one can prove such claims , is it nonsense to declare it to the public ?

and what is the purpose of such claims ?

[JavaLatte]

Okay....


Can we all here trying to be calm and peaceful...?

Perhaps we should focus more on our similarities,

trying to get along well, and seeking harmony between brethren. 

❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤    ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤


Just a suggestion. 


Peace.

[Man of Faith]

Peace,

It is easy, God has taught to judge with what The Master sent down to every prophet and the proof of that is to follow what is decreed in the recitation as it contains a summary of it all, like a recap.

And faith you show by the way you live and act and on your judgment. If you follow what is decreed such as being nice, kind, humble and harmonious, then you are simply guided and you do not associate anyone or anything with God.

As God simply puts it "anyone who has faith and does good has nothing to fear nor will they grieve".

Got any problem with that?

[Man of Faith]

Peace Javalatte,

It is a very good idea actually. It is too much stiffness around here.

God bless you

[muslims]

Can we all here trying to be calm and peaceful...?

I believe this kind of discussion is good because it teaches us to differentiate the truth and falsehood (the nonsense),

especially for those who live in countries where there are many Mullah and people claimed they are the Messenger of Allah. . .

or even claiming that they are God, the Imam Mahdi, Jesus or a wife of Gabriel etc!

Those Mullahs are prone to make such claims and using the fallacy of appeal to authority. .  . especially in Muslim majority countries.

[mmkhan]

Following quote is from this thread.

Read from the start and find out yourself what relevant point did you bring to this thread ?

Or merely resorting to ad hominem, irrelevant issues and your nonsense ?

But I guess you are lucky, because you can be off topic, but I cannot. This is the forum rules.

Therefore, you can prove your point in this thread.

To bad, do you also wish to chop off my head ? 

So why are you so afraid to know the truth about yourself?
We all will know if we are wrong about you and others may also know about you.
Most importantly you will know the truth about yourself, as you are dreaming that you are always right and others are always wrong. This thing will be clear once and for all, inshaAllah. You may change your behavior after you know yourself.

[muslims]

you are dreaming that you are always right and others are always wrong.

Firstly, you are being off topic. 

Secondly, I gave reasons and support for all my contentions, and you cannot. So, you are just jealous and childish.

You will cry, bang your head, pull out your hair and blame people when you cannot get what you want, not much difference from your childhood, really.

It is just in different forms, but it is the same issue. . . you want that "chocolate", even if your parents cannot afford them.

Grow up and take responsibility for your contentions, otherwise don't make one!

[Jafar]

Facts:

          God has taught me bla bla bla, therefore I am bla bla bla.
          God has guided me bla bla bla, therefore I am bla bla bla.
          God has inspired me bla bla bla, therefore I am bla bla bla.

          and any other similar statements


The issue:

Can anyone prove or be certain that God taught, guided, and inspired them etc, or God is leading them astray ?

This is the reason why I've stopped or at least restrained myself from quoting.
In a sense that to prove X is true, Y also said X .
Where Y can be a deity, a mullah / authority or a relic such as holy book.
I called such attitude as 'hiding behind something' to support an opinion.

If X is true, then I believe X will survive any test that's being thrown at it.

Having said that, I'm fully aware that not everyone has the same attitude as me.

Thus I choose to ignore those who attack my opinion of X through arguments of because Y said it is true or isn't true.
I appreciate those who really stand by his/her own opinion, even when his/her opinion disprove of X.
Because that was the objective of discussion or debate.
To test the hypothesis of X

My 'enemy' on a debate is my friend on thinking and contemplation.

Thus the prove that he or she is guided or misguided on the topic of X. (and only on the topic of X)
Is by testing whether his/her opinion on X is true or false.

Salam / Peace

[muslims]

This is the reason why I've stopped or at least restrained myself from quoting.

I believe to claim that we are absolutely right is inappropriate, but to quote the word of Allah is okay because the objective is . .

To test the hypothesis of X

Where, X is the words of Allah (ie. human interpretation).

When Allah commands us to use our mind, God is asking us to test or disprove His words  , every single words in the Quran . .

and this is the true essence of belief, ie. we have tested the words of Allah and it is not "blind faith", it is not conjecture. .

. . .

Thus the prove that he or she is guided or misguided on the topic of X. (and only on the topic of X)
Is by testing whether his/her opinion on X is true or false.

and during the process of testing the truth of any statement,
there will be some "cross-examination confrontation", using the true methodology and avoiding the fallacy . .
many people might not understand the process and blindly believe that it is inappropriate.

Critical thinking is an Islamic obligation, just as Allah ordered us to perform salat, zakat, fasting etc. and . . without critical thinking, there is no Islam.

"Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason" (8.22)

[Existential1]

If no one can prove such claims , is it nonsense to declare it to the public ?

and what is the purpose of such claims ?

Peace everyone,

If everything shared verbally needed to be 100% fact-checked before saying anything, humans would be a lot less interactive.  I believe the purpose of such claims are that people wish to either build a sense of community around their feeling, or they want to embellish themselves.

Either way, we (the general public) choose how much weight we want to give anyone who makes such statements.  On an individual level, we can ignore them and proceed about our business (my usual strategy), or we can pay close attention and weigh their statements on their merits (which would take a tremendous amount of time). 

Let us be kind to those who profess their connection to God, however sincere they may or may not be.  For how we treat them will be judged.