and you confused about the ad hominem. . because ad hominem is about attacking the person presenting the claim or argument, his character and which is irrelevant to the discussion . . . not about attacking the "
contention made by the author". It is not the same, it is different issues.
What did I point out in this thread ?
I contested and point out the flaw in your contention, therefore . . it is not ad hominem.
Quote from: muslims on June 06, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
I have no doubt about God's ability to guide people. . .
But I doubt about the nonsense people make when claiming that God is guiding them
as if they are the God's representative. . .
to claim absolute truth without any needs to support their contention with logical explanations, like those Mullah
. . .
How could people know that God is . .
1. guiding them, or
2. lead them astray
Can anyone prove this ?
We will progressively lead them [to destruction]
from where they do not know
7.182
Therefore, this is absolutely nonsense. . and just like what people of Pharoah are doing, ie. using the "irrational thinking"
. . .
and when people asked them to prove that God is "guiding" them . . .
They started to question about "I asked where is your faith?";
ie. to divert the issue, using ad hominem and hiding from their nonsense, and again, just like the followers of Pharoah are doing. . .
This is bulls*it. . .it is nonsense. . . no one knows whether God is guiding them, or lead them astray. .
Therefore, those who make such claims are speaking nonsense, or in worst cases, they are the Deceivers.
and. . .
Quote from: muslims on June 06, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
Therefore, I believe you are talking nonsense and I said. .
and it is not my contention that is against the believe of all Muslims and those who compiled the Quran, it is your belief. . it is your contention, and the burden of proof is on you, or Bender or anyone else who wish people to believe that the current order is the original order of its revelations (refer here).
I'm not going to waste my time on your nonsense, and just send me a private message when you have successfully proven those facts to the world.
Both of my contentions is not about you. . it is about the validity of your contentions, it is about "your claims" and "such claims"
I said your contentions are nonsense; "talking nonsense". . Different issues, and it is not ad hominem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem. . .
and. . . compare with your contention, did you raise an issue relating to the "
facts of our discussion or the contentions made" or you are raising "
issue relating to the character of the person presenting the claim" ?
Quote from: Man of Faith on June 06, 2014, 09:35:13 AM
You doubt about God's ability to guide. I asked where is your faith?
God has promised to provide guidance to whoever does good and has faith. You call me superstitious please go ahead but I have faith in my Master.
What burden of proof do you talk about. God has enough proof for you.
If you call that by that word then you have no faith and you shall see that you were wrong sooner or later.
Have you not studied the recitation enough? God "spoke" to Moses and he inspired revelation to Muhammad and made Jesus heal lepers and restore blindness by God's leave and then you doubt that God can provide guidance for anyone The Master wishes?
Have you even finished reading the recitation?
See? You are not raising an issue about my contention, but raising an issue or making speculations about my faith and character etc, and which is irrelevant to the facts of our discussion, and as if you alone have faith in Allah, and those who are disagreeing with your opinion have no faith in Allah. You divert from the real issue and attack on the irrelevant issues, and then claim to absoluteness.
