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Started by sword of tashayyu, June 06, 2014, 03:34:46 AM

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Quote from: Man of Faith on June 06, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
You are wrong. It is not acknowledged by all "muslims". I do not acknowledge it. Bender does not. Are you going to base your argument on what others say. And have you not read the verse that days if you listen to most people they will lead you ininto conjecture. Form your own arguments and not that "the majority says". You talk yourself how lost all are so why do you believe them on that. That theory is based on had it sayings.

Therefore, I believe you are talking nonsense and I said. .

Quote from: muslims on June 06, 2014, 12:06:57 PMIt is just foam, and could easily passes away , one by one . . .

and it is not my contention that is against the believe of all Muslims and those who compiled the Quran, it is your belief. . it is your contention, and the burden of proof is on you, or Bender or anyone else who wish people to believe that the current order is the original order of its revelations (refer here).

I'm not going to waste my time on your nonsense, and just send me a private message when you have successfully proven those facts to the world.

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but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

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Quote from: Man of Faith on June 06, 2014, 12:32:56 PM
And are you mocking God? That is against the forum rules you know.


How should I know, you are the one who is claiming God is directly guiding you without any logical explanations. . .

as if you are God's representative etc. . .  :laugh:

Quote from: muslims on June 06, 2014, 12:25:31 PM
maybe the god you are referring is making many silly mistake . . .  :laugh:

Please prove that God is guiding you! (refer here)

If you cannot prove, then . . . who is the one mocking God with his nonsense ?

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but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

Man of Faith

Return to topic and stop screwing around.

Peace
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Bender

Quote from: Man of Faith on June 06, 2014, 12:32:56 PM
Peace,

And are you mocking God? That is against the forum rules you know.

God bless you

Salaam,

yes imo he was mocking Allah. Imo when one is going this desperate then there is no talking left.

Salaam,
Bender
Alhamdu lillahi rabbi al-alameen

muslims


            Have you seen the one who takes as his god his own desire?
            Then would you be responsible for him?
            25.43

I hope not. . .

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

Man of Faith

Peace,

5:64 And the Jews said: ?The hand of God is tied-down!? Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and opposition; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, God puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and God does not love the corrupters.

5:111 ?And I inspired the disciples: ?You shall believe in Me and My messenger;? they said: ?We have faith, and bear witness that we have humbled ourselves.??

7:117 And We inspired Moses: ?Cast down your staff;? and it swallowed what they invented.

7:160 And We separated them into twelve patriarch nations; and We inspired Moses when his people wanted to drink: ?Put forth your staff towards the stone,? thus twelve springs emerged out of it. Each people then knew from where to drink. And We shaded them with clouds and We sent down to them manna and quail: ?Eat from the good things that We have provided for you.? They did not wrong Us, but it was their souls that they wronged.

10:109 And follow what is being inspired to you and be patient until God judges. And He is the best of judges.

11:36 And it was inspired to Noah: ?No more of your people will believe except those who have already believed. So do not be saddened by what they have done.?

14:13 And those who opposed said to their messengers: ?We will expel you from our land, or you will return to our creed.? It was then that their Master inspired to them: ?We will destroy the wicked.?

28:7 And We inspired to Moses? mother: ?Suckle him, and when you become fearful for him, then cast him off in the sea, and do not fear nor grieve. We will return him to you and We will make him of the messengers.?

34:50 Say: ?If I stray, then I stray to my own loss. And if I am guided, then it is because of what my Lord inspired to me. He is Hearer, Near.?

42:51 And it is not for any human being that God would speak to him, except through inspiration, or from behind a barrier, or by sending a messenger to inspire whom He wills with His permission. He is Most High, Wise.

2:157 For those there will be contacts from their Lord and a mercy, they are the guided ones.

2:272 You are not responsible for their guidance, but it is God who will guide whoever He wishes. And whatever you spend out of goodness is for your own souls. And anything you spend should be in seeking the face of God. And whatever you spend out of goodness will be returned to you, and you will not be wronged.

4:175 As for those who believe in God and hold fast to Him, He will admit them in a mercy from Him and a bounty, and He will guide them to Himself, a straight path.

6:80 And his people debated with him. He (Ebraheem) said: ?Do you debate with me regarding God, when He has guided me? I do not fear that which you have set up except if my Master wills; my Lord encompasses all things in knowledge; will you not heed??

Note: No scriptural decree yet revealed (torah/instruction, enjeel/enlightenment nor the recitation).

6:84 And We granted him Isaac and Jacob, both of whom We guided; and Noah We guided from before; and from his progeny is David, and Solomon, and Job, and Joseph, and Moses, and Aaron. It is such that We recompense the good doers.

6:88 Such is the guidance of God, He guides with it whom He pleases of His servants. And if they set up partners, then all that they had worked would fall away from them.

6:125 Whoever God wishes to guide, He will comfort his chest with harmony; and whoever He wishes to misguide, He will make his chest tight and constricted, as one who is ascending towards the heaven. It is such that God lets taint those who do not have faith.

EDIT: Sorry I had to add this verse: 10:9 Those who believe and do good works, their Lord will guide them by their faith. Rivers will flow beneath them in gardens of bliss.




Who guides? Is it purely rational thinking involved or is there a close bond to your Creator if you have harmonized yourself with God and serve? Thus I asked if there is a lack in faith for someone who says that God cannot inspire a thing. It is as if to say God's hands are tied down. And that is mockery of God and also is in violation of the forum rules.

And sorry for answering a post off-topic. Please return to the topic at hand. And please refrain from ad hominem here and now.

God bless you
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muslims


So you believe you are a Messenger of Allah ?  What have you did ? Wrote an article ? :rotfl:


p.s. take note that the verse is personally confirmed by God or came with proof etc, not by those who are arrogant and self-proclaimed that they are rightfully guided by Allah . . . we have a special name for that, ie. NONSENSE.

Quote from: muslims on June 06, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
How could people know that God is . .

           1. guiding them, or
           2. lead them astray

Can anyone prove this ?

                       We will progressively lead them [to destruction]
                       from where they do not know
                       7.182

Therefore, this is absolutely nonsense. .

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

Man of Faith

Peace,

I never claimed that. I demonstrated about inspiration and guidance if you did not see that. Please quit being offensive and discuss the topic at hand.

We were discussing about Quran arrangement and let us continue the discussion. We can test a hypothesis; what if you are right and it really was that people had changed the order of the chapters. What are your arguments for that it really matters at all?
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muslims


What discussion ? I have already ended my discussion with you in this thread since you are speaking nonsense, claiming what God said no one knows whether God are guiding them or lead them astray. . . and you are speaking nonsense that the Quran is in its original order of the revelations. . .

Quote from: muslims on June 06, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
I'm not going to waste my time on your nonsense, and just send me a private message when you have successfully proven those facts to the world.

Nonsense = None or lack of common sense.

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

Man of Faith

It is not nonsense when you cannot prove it is nonsense  Prove to me it is nonsense because you have no argument to prove about the order of revelation is same or not. There is no reliable material so you cannot say what I say is nonsense unless you have a valid argument.

And I was not talking about nonsense but was asking you a question on the discussion at hand and not for you to divert away from the discussion further. And if you have quit the discussion well say no more then. Either that or stop your ad hominem.

Peace
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