Arrangement of the Quran

[Man of Faith]

And instead of insulting me for my faith in God you can please present your arguments supporting that the order of revealed chapters have been changed.

Peace

[muslims]

You doubt about God's ability to guide. I asked where is your faith?

I have no doubt about God's ability to guide people. . .

But I doubt about the nonsense people make when claiming that God is guiding them
as if they are the God's representative. . .
to claim absolute truth without any needs to support their contention with logical explanations, like those Mullah

. . .

How could people know that God is . .

           1. guiding them, or
           2. lead them astray

Can anyone prove this ?

                       We will progressively lead them [to destruction]
                       from where they do not know
                       7.182

Therefore, this is absolutely nonsense. . and just like what people of Pharoah are doing, ie. using the "irrational thinking"

. . .

and when people asked them to prove that God is "guiding" them . . .
They started to question about "I asked where is your faith?";
ie. to divert the issue, using ad hominem and hiding from their nonsense, and again, just like the followers of Pharoah are doing. . .

This is bulls*it. . .it is nonsense. . . no one knows whether God is guiding them, or lead them astray. .
Therefore, those who make such claims are speaking nonsense, or in worst cases, they are the Deceivers.

[muslims]

And instead of insulting me for my faith in God you can please present your arguments supporting that the order of revealed chapters have been changed.

I have presented the proof that the Chapters are not in its original order, and it is not the ways of God for that revelation to be in that order.

It is the facts which have been acknowledged by all Muslims.

This is my burden of proof.

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Where is your evidence that it is the original order of the Chapters ?

If you cannot prove this. . . where is the authority (verse) to support your contention that people can change the order of the revelations ?

If you cannot prove this. . . then there is no point for you to divert the issue, or even claiming that God is guiding you etc.

[Man of Faith]

Burden of proof can be your invention. I am asking you to bring any word that the recitation you are reading contains evidence to support your claim. Or otherwise there is noting to discuss here.

And if it would be the case that it is not the original order. What would make it cause any difference to how you become guided by the information?

Peace

[Man of Faith]

And if you cannot have any valid arguments that it has become changed then I suppose you have to back down. It can just be a theory however because you and me were not there when it was revealed. Unless God would tell any of us the truth of course.

[muslims]

      He sent down water from the sky

              so valleys flowed according to their capacity

                    and the flood produces foam
                    And from what they burn to smelt jewelry or goods is produced a similar foam

              It is in such a manor that God strikes the falsehood with the truth

                    As for the foam, it passes away
                    and as for what benefits the people
                    it remains in the Earth

      It is such that God puts forth the examples
      13.17


It is just foam, and could easily passes away , one by one . . .

[Man of Faith]

Yes but can you formulate yourself and define your argument instead of pasting a verse with no relevance to the discussion at hand?

[muslims]

You have lots of confusion , I wonder why. . .

especially after God is directly guiding you , maybe the god you are referring is making many silly mistake . . . 

. . .

This is my contention . . .

It is the facts which have been acknowledged by all Muslims.

This is my burden of proof.

ie. the Chapters is not the original order of its revelations , and everyone agree on this. . .

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Therefore, do you agree on this ?

. . .

If you agree on this . . . then there is no issue, and you have to provide me the authority to change the chronological order of the Chapters.

. . .

If you do not agree with these facts. . this means you are contesting the believe of all Muslims that the Quran is not in chronological order.

Therefore, why should I prove on your behalf ? 

It is not my contention, but it is your contention.

Therefore, it is your burden of proof to show that the current order is the original order of its revelations

The burden of proof as to any particular fact lies on that person who wishes people to believe in his conclusion

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[Man of Faith]

You are wrong. It is not acknowledged by all "muslims". I do not acknowledge it. Bender does not. Are you going to base your argument on what others say. And have you not read the verse that days if you listen to most people they will lead you ininto conjecture. Form your own arguments and not that "the majority says". You talk yourself how lost all are so why do you believe them on that. That theory is based on had it sayings.

And the burden of proof argument is one of your fellow humans who invented.  I just ask you and I have said my arguments. What do you dispute?

You need to give a valid reason why it is not in chronological order, ie. examples and elaboration. The literal quality becomes bad and why it becomes bad etc. The is investigation and not conjecture.

Peace

[Man of Faith]

Peace,

And are you mocking God? That is against the forum rules you know.

God bless you