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Meaning of KAFIROON = CONTRAVENER

Started by muslims, June 05, 2014, 12:27:16 PM

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Quote from: Man of Faith on June 01, 2014, 03:52:06 PM
"Those who oppose harmony and balance in the system are your kafiroon"

This is in response to the Man of Faith's argument that the word "Kafiroon" means "Opposition"

I couldn't agree with the translation. . and also,

I couldn't agree with all the translations that it means as "Disbeliever" or "Denier" etc. . .

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What does it really mean ?

I believe that the actual word means "Contravener" ,

or we could say that it is more accurate to say it is. . .

It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition"


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Why it is a "Contravener" ?

To understand this we need to understand our relationship with God.

Our relationship with God is a "Contractual Relationship", it is a "Covenant" , ie. . .

                            And when your Lord
                            took from the children of Adam
                            from their loins
                            their descendants

                            and made them testify of themselves
                                               [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" <- This is our "Contract" or "Covenant" with God
                                               They said, "Yes, we have testified."
                                               [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
                                               "Indeed, we were of this unaware"
                            (7:172)


This is further described as below. . .

                            Who break the COVENANT of Allah after CONTRACTING it
                            and sever that which Allah has ordered to be joined
                            and cause corruption on earth.
                            It is those who are the losers.
                            2.27


                            And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the COVENANT of the prophets, [saying],
                            "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom
                            and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you,
                            you [must] believe in him and support him."
                            [ Allah ] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?"
                            They said, "We have acknowledged it."
                            He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
                            3.81

This is what Islam is all about, it is a "Contract" or a "Covenant" with God

Both parties have agreed to be bound by their Contract, or Covenant



This is equally true with Satan or Iblees , it is a Covenant or Contractual Relationship. . .

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Conclusion

Because it is a contractual or a covenant , the word that is accurately to describe this relationship is a "Contravener"

ie. those who contravene their Contract or Covenant with Allah

It is not "Disbeliever", "Rejecter", "Denier", or even "Opposition". . .

I believe it is "Contravener". . .



Quotecon?tra?vene  [kon-truh-veen]  Show IPA
verb (used with object), con?tra?vened, con?tra?ven?ing.

                  1. to come or be in conflict with; go or act against; deny or oppose: to contravene a statement.

                  2. to violate, infringe, or transgress: to contravene the law.

                  Origin:

                  1560?70;  < Late Latin contrāvenīre,  equivalent to Latin contrā  against + venīre  to come

Related forms

con?tra?ven?er, noun

contravene  (ˌkɒntrəˈviːn)

                  ? vb
                  1.   to come into conflict with or infringe (rules, laws, etc)
                  2.   to dispute or contradict (a statement, proposition, etc)

[C16: from Late Latin contrāvenīre,  from Latin contra-  + venīre  to come]

contra'vener

? n

contravention

? n


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This is how the meaning look like when the word "Kafiroon" is replace by "CONTRAVENER".
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109:0 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
109:1 Say: ?O CONTRAVENERS,?
109:2 ?I do not serve what you serve,?
109:3 ?Nor do you serve what I serve,?
109:4 ?Nor will I serve what you serve,?
109:5 ?Nor will you serve what I serve,?
109:6 ?To you is your system, and to me is mine.?

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2:6 As for those who CONTRAVENE, whether you warn them or not warn them, they will not have faith.

2:7 God has sealed their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes are
covers. They will incur a great retribution.

2:8 And from the people are those who say: ?We have faith in God and
in the Last Day,? but they are not ones with faith.

2:9 They seek to deceive God and those who have faith, but they only deceive themselves without noticing.

2:10 In their hearts is a disease, so God increases their disease, and they will have a painful retribution for what they have denied.

2:11 And if they are told: ?Do not make corruption in the land,? they say: ?But we are reformers!?

2:12 No, they are the corruptors, but they do not perceive.

2:13 And if they are told: ?Have faith, as the people have faith,? they say: ?Shall we have faith like the foolish have faith?? No, they are the foolish but they do not know.

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2:34 And We said to the angels: ?Pay homage to Adam,? so they paid homage except for Satan, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the CONTRAVENERS.

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2:19 Or like a storm cloud from the sky, in it is darkness and thunder and lightning. They place their fingers in their ears from the thunder-claps for fear of death; and God is aware of the CONTRAVENERS.

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2:24 And if you cannot do this; and you will not be able to do this; then beware the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, it has been prepared for the CONTRAVENERS.

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2:26 God does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who have faith, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the CONTRAVENERS, they say: ?What does God intend with this example?? He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.

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2:28 How can you CONTRAVENE God when you were dead and He brought you to life? Then He makes you die, then He brings you to life, then to Him you return.

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2:88 And they said: ?Our hearts are sealed!? No, it is God who has cursed them for their CONTRAVENTION, they have but very little faith.

2:89 And when a decree came to them from God, authenticating what is with them; while before that they were mocking those who CONTRAVENED; so when what they knew came to them, they CONTRAVENED it! The curse of God be upon the CONTRAVENERS.

2:90 Miserable indeed is what they purchase with their souls, that they CONTRAVENE what God has sent down as a resentment that God would send down from His grace to whom He pleases of His servants; thus they have incurred wrath upon wrath. And the CONTRAVENERS will have a humiliating retribution.

2:91 And if it is said to them: ?Have faith in what God has sent down;? they say: ?We have faith only in what was sent down to us,? and they CONTRAVENE what came after it, while it is the truth authenticating what is with them. Say: ?Why then did you kill the prophets of God if you were ones with faith??

2:92 And Moses had come to you with clear proofs, then you took the calf after him; you were wicked!

2:93 And We took your covenant, and raised the mount above you: ?Take what We have given you of teachings, and listen.? They said: ?We hear and disobey!? And they had consumed the calf inside their hearts by their CONTRAVENTION. Say: ?Miserable indeed is what your faith orders of you if you are ones with faith!?

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2:102 And they followed what the devils recited regarding the kingship of Solomon. Solomon did not CONTRAVENE (the decree), but it was the devils who CONTRAVENE by teaching people magic, and teaching them what was sent down on the two angels in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot. They did not teach anyone until they would say: ?We are a test, so do not lose faith!? Thus they teach what can separate between a person and his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except with the permission of God. And they learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known that he who purchases such has no place in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they purchased with their souls if only they knew!

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2:105 Neither do those who have CONTRAVENED from among the people of the decree, nor from among the associators, wish that any good comes down to you from your Lord. But God chooses with His mercy whom He wishes; and from God is the greatest grace.

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2:108 Or do you want to ask your messenger as Moses was asked before? Whoever replaces faith with CONTRAVENTION, he has indeed strayed from the right path.

2:109 Many of the people of the decree have wished that they could return you to being CONTRAVENERS after your believing, out of envy from their souls after the truth was made clear to them. You shall forgive them and overlook until God brings His will. God is capable of all things.

2:110 And hold the melding/communion, and contribute towards purification; and what you bring forth of good for your souls you will find it with God. God is watching what you do.

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2:121 Those to whom We gave the decree, they recite it as it truthfully deserves to be recited; they have faith in it. As for those who CONTRAVENE it, they are the losers.

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2:126 And Abraham said: ?My Master, make this a faithful land (note: my interpretation), and provide for its inhabitants of the fruits for whoever has faith in God and the Last Day.? He said: ?As for he who CONTRAVENES, I will let him enjoy for a while, then I will force him to the retribution of the Fire. What a miserable destiny!?

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2:128 ?Our Master, and let us harmonize with You and from our progeny a community of harmonizers with You, and show us our ways, and forgive us; You are the Forgiver, the Merciful.?

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2:253 Such messengers, We have preferred some over others; some of them talked to God, and He raised some of them in rank, and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, the clear proofs and We supported him with the Holy Spirit. And had God wished, the people after them would not have fought after the proofs had come to them, but they disputed, some of them had faith and some of them CONTRAVENED. If God had wished they would not have fought, but God does what He pleases.

2:254 O you who believe, spend from what We have provided for you before a Day comes when there is no trade, nor friendship, nor intercession; and the CONTRAVENERS are the wicked.

2:256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been clarified from the wrong way. Whoever CONTRAVENES evil, and has faith in God, indeed he has taken grasp of the strongest hold that will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.


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2:257 God is the ally of those who believe, He brings them out of the darkness and into the light. As for those who CONTRAVENE, their allies are the evil ones, they bring them out of the light and into the darkness; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide.

2:258 Have you not noted him who debated with Abraham regarding his Lord, while God had given him a kingship? Abraham said: ?My Lord is the One who gives life and death,? he said: ?I bring life and death.? Abraham said: ?God brings the sun from the east, so you bring it from the west.? The one who CONTRAVENED was baffled! And God does not guide the wicked people.

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2:260 And Abraham said: ?My Lord, show me how you resurrect the dead.? He said: ?Do you not already have faith?? He said: ?I do, but it is so my heart can be relieved.? He said: ?Choose four birds, then separate them, then place each of the birds on each mountain, then call them to you; they will come racing towards you. And know that God is Noble, Wise.?

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2:264 O you who have faith, do not nullify your charities with insult and harm; like the one who spends his money in vanity to show off to the people, and he does not have faith in God and the Last Day. His example is like a stone on which there is dust, then it is subjected to a heavy rain which leaves it bare. They cannot do anything with what they have earned; and God does not guide the CONTRAVENING people.

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2:268 The devil promises you poverty and orders you to immorality, while God promises forgiveness from Him and grace. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

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2:286 God does not burden a soul except with what it can bear. For it is what it earns, and against it is what it earns. ?Our Master, do not mind us if we forget or make mistakes; our Master, do not place a burden upon us as You have placed upon those before us; our Master, do not place upon us what we cannot bear; pardon us, and forgive us, and have mercy on us; You are our patron, so grant us victory over the CONTRAVINING people.?

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3:4 From before as a guidance for the people, and He sent down the Criterion/distinction/separation. Those who CONTRAVENED the revelations of God, they will have a severe retribution, and God is Noble, exacting in Revenge.

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3:7 He is the One who sent down to you the decree, from which there are lawgiving revelations; they are the essence of the decree; and others which are of a similitude. As for those who have a disease in their hearts, they will follow that which is of a similitude, seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. But none know its interpretation except God, and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say: ?We have faith in it, all is from our Lord.? And none will remember except those who possess intelligence.

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3:10 As for those who CONTRAVENED, neither their money nor their children will avail them anything from God. They are the fuel of the Fire.

3:11 Like the behavior of the people of Pharaoh and those before them. They CONTRAVENED Our signs so God took them for their sins. God is awesome in retribution.

3:12 Say to those who have CONTRAVENE: ?You will be defeated and gathered towards Hell, what a miserable abode!?

3:13 There was a sign for you in the two groups that met. One was fighting in the cause of God, and the other was in CONTRAVENTION. They thus saw them as twice their number with their eyes. And God supports with His victory whom He wills. In this is a lesson for those with vision.

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3:19 The system with God is balance/harmony, and those who received the decree did not dispute except after the knowledge came to them out of jealousy between them. And whoever CONTRAVENES the revelations of God, then God is swift in judgment.

3:20 If they debate with you, then say: ?I have harmonized (or perhaps humbled!) myself to God, as well as those who follow me.? And say to those who have received the decree and the Gentiles: ?Have you harmonized?? If they have harmonized then they are guided, and if they reject, then you are only to deliver, and God is Seer over the servants.

3:21 Those who CONTRAVENE the revelations of God and kill the prophets without right, and kill those who order justice from among the people; inform them of a painful retribution.

3:22 These are the ones whose works will be lost in this world, and in the Hereafter they will have no supporters.

3:23 Did you not see those who were given a portion of the decree being invited to the decree of God to judge between them, then a group of them reject while they are adverse?

3:24 That is because they said: ?The Fire will not touch us except for a few number of days,? and they were arrogant by what they invented in their system.

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3:28 Let not those with faith take the CONTRAVENERS as allies instead of the (others) with faith. And whoever does so will have nothing with God; for you are to be cautious of them as they deserve. And God warns you of Himself, and to God is the destiny.

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3:31 Say: ?If you love God then follow me so God will love you and forgive your sins.? God is Forgiver, Merciful.

3:32 Say: ?Obey God and the messenger.? But if they turn away, then God does not love the CONTRAVENERS.

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3:52 So when Jesus felt their CONTRAVENTION, he said: ?Who are my supporters to God?? The disciples said: ?We are the supporters of God, we have faith in God and we bear witness that we have harmonized/humbled.?

3:53 ?Our Master, we have faith in what You have sent down, and followed the missionary, so record us with those who bear witness.?

3:54 And they schemed and God schemed, but God is the best schemer.

3:55 For God said: ?O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have CONTRAVENED, and make those who have followed you above those who have CONTRAVENED until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, all of you,so I will judge between you in what it was that you disputed.?

3:56 ?As for those who have CONTRAVENED, I will punish them severely in this world and in the Hereafter, they will have no supporters.?

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3:69 A group from the people of the decree wished that they could misguide you, but they only misguide themselves and they do not notice.

3:70 ?O people of the decree, why do you CONTRAVENE the revelations of God while you are bearing witness??

3:71 ?O people of the decree, why do you confound the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know??

3:72 And a group from among the people of the decree said: ?Have faith in what was sent down to those who have faith during the beginning of the day, and CONTRAVENE it by the end of it, perhaps they will return.?

3:73 ?And do not have faith except in he who follows your system.? Say: ?The guidance is the guidance of God.? That anyone should be given similar to what you have been given, or that they debate with you at your Master. Say: ?The bounty is in the hand of God, He gives it to whom He chooses, and God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.?

3:74 He singles out with His mercy whom He chooses, and God is with Great Bounty.

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3:78 And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the decree so that you may think it is from the decree, while it is not from the decree, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.

3:79 It is not for any human being that God would give him the decree and the authority and the prophethood, then he would say to the people: ?Be servants to me rather than God!? Rather: ?Be Devotees for what you have been taught of the decree, and of what you have studied.?

3:80 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to CONTRAVENTION after you have humbled/harmonized?

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3:83 Is it other than the system of God that they desire, when those in the heavens and the earth have come into harmony to Him voluntarily or by force? And to Him they will be returned.

3:84 Say: ?We have faith in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we harmonize.?

3:85 And whoever follows other than harmony as a system, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.

3:86 How can God guide a people who have CONTRAVENED after believing, and they had witnessed that the messenger was true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.

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3:90 Those who have CONTRAVENED after their belief, then increased in CONTRAVENTION, their repentance will not be accepted, they are the strayers.

3:91 Those who have CONTRAVENED and died while they were CONTRAVENERS, if the earth full of gold were to be ransomed with it would not be accepted from any of them. For these there will be a painful retribution and they will have no supporters.

3:93 All the food was made lawful to the Children of Israel except what Israel forbade for himself before the Torah was sent down. Say: ?Bring the Torah and recite it if you are truthful.?
3:94 Whoever invents lies about God after this, these are the wicked.

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3:98 Say: ?O people of the decree, why do you CONTRAVENE the revelations of God, while God is witness over what you do??

3:99 Say: ?O people of the decree, why do you repel from the path of God those who have faith? You wish to twist it while you are witnesses. And God is not unaware of what you do.?

3:100 O you who have faith, if you obey a group of those who received the decree they will turn you after your belief into CONTRAVENERS!

3:101 And how can you CONTRAVENE when the revelations of God are being recited to you and with you is His messenger? And whoever holds firmly to God has been guided to the straight path.

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3:104 And let there be a community from among you who calls towards goodness, and orders kindness, and prohibits vice. And these are the successful ones.

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3:141 And God will test those who have faith and He will condemn the CONTRAVENERS.

3:142 Or did you think that you would enter the Paradise without God distinguishing those who would strive among you and distinguishing those who are patient?

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3:196 Do not be deceived by the success of those who have CONTRAVENED in the land.

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4:18 And there will be no repentance for those who commit sin then when death comes upon any one of them he says: ?I repent now!? Nor for those who die while they are CONTRAVENERS. For those We have prepared a painful retribution.

4:37 Those who are stingy and order the people to stinginess, and they conceal what God has given them from His bounty. And We have prepared for the CONTRAVENERS a humiliating retribution.

4:38 And those who spend their money to show off to the people, and they do not have faith in God or the Last Day. And whoever has the devil as his associate, then what a miserable associate!

4:39 What would bother them if they had faith in God and the Last Day and spent from the provisions of God? God is aware of them.

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4:42 On that Day those who CONTRAVENED and disobeyed the messenger will wish that the earth would swallow them; but they cannot hide any narrative from God.

4:43 O you who believe, do not come near the contact prayer while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying. Nor if you have had intercourse, unless traveling, until you bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or one of you has excreted feces, or you had sexual contact with the women, and could not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and hands. God is Pardoning, Forgiving.

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4:51 Did you not see those who were given a portion of the decree, they have faith in sorcery and evil, and they say to those who CONTRAVENED: ?You are better guided than those who have faith in the path.?

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4:55 Some of them had faith in it, and some of them rejected it. In Hell will be enough flames.

4:56 Those who have CONTRAVENED Our revelations, We will admit them to a Fire. Every time their skins are cooked, We replace them with other skins that they may taste the retribution. God is Noble, Wise.

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4:60 Did you not see those who claimed they had faith in what was sent down to you and what was sent before you? They wanted to seek judgment using evil, while they were ordered to CONTRAVENE it. It is the devil who wants to lead them far astray.

4:61 And if they are told: ?Come to what God has sent down and to the messenger,? you see the hypocrites turning away from you strongly.

4:62 Why then, when disaster befalls them for what their hands have delivered, do they come to you swearing by God that they only wanted to do good and reconcile?

4:63 These are a people whom God knows what is in their hearts, so reject them and advise them, and say to them in their souls a clear saying.

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4:76 Those who have faith fight in the cause of God, while those who CONTRAVENE fight in the cause of evil; so fight the supporters of the devil, for the planning of the devil is weak.

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4:88 What is the matter with you that you are divided into two groups over the hypocrites, while God has regressed them for what they have earned? Do you want to guide those whom God misguides? Whoever God causes to be misguided, you will never find for him a path.

4:89 They hope that you will CONTRAVENE as they have CONTRAVENED, then you will be the same. Do not take any of them as allies until they emigrate in the cause of God. If they turn away, then take them and kill them wherever you find them; and do not take from them any ally or supporter.

4:90 Except for those who reach a people with whom you have a covenant, or if they come to you with a reluctance in their chests to fight you or to fight their own people. Had God willed He would have given them strength and they would have fought you. But if they retire from you, and do not fight you, and they offer you harmony; then God does not make for you a path against them.

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4:136 O you who have faith; have faith in God and His messenger, and the decree which was sent down to His messenger, and the decree which was sent before. And whoever CONTRAVENES God, and His angels, and His Books, and His missionaries, and the Last Day; then he has strayed a far straying.

4:137 Those who had faith, then CONTRAVENED, then had faith, then CONTRAVENED, then they increased in CONTRAVENTION; God was not to forgive them nor to guide them to the path.

4:138 Give news to the hypocrites that they will have a painful retribution.

4:139 Those who take the CONTRAVENERS as allies instead of those with faith: ?Do they seek glory with them?? All glory belongs to God.

4:140 And it has been sent down to you in the decree, that if you hear the revelations of God being CONTRAVENED and mocked, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different narrative; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell all together.

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4:150 Those who CONTRAVENED God and His messengers, and they want to make a separation between God and His missionaries, and they say: ?We believe in some and reject some!? And they desire to take a path in-between.

4:151 These are the true CONTRAVENERS; and We have prepared for the CONTRAVENERS a humiliating retribution.

4:152 And those who have faith in God and His missionaries and do not make a distinction between any of them, We will give them their recompense. And God is Forgiving, Merciful.

4:153 The people of the decree ask you to bring down to them a decree from the heaven. They had asked Moses for even more than that, for they said: ?Show us God openly!? So the lightning strike took them for their wickedness. Then they took the calf after the clarity had come to them, and We pardoned them for this; We gave Moses a clear authority.

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4:154 And We raised the mount above them by the covenant they took, and We said to them: ?Enter the passageway by crouching.? And We said to them: ?Do not transgress the Sabbath;? and We took from them a solemn covenant.

4:155 So, for the breaking of their covenant, and their CONTRAVENTION of the revelations of God, and their killing of the prophets without right, and their saying: ?Our hearts are shielded.? Indeed, God has stamped upon their hearts because of their CONTRAVENTION; they do not have faith, except for a few.

4:156 And for their CONTRAVENTION and their saying about Mary a great falsehood.

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4:159 And from the people of the decree are those who refused to have faith in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be witness against them.

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5:10 And those who CONTRAVENE and deny Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell.

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5:54 O you who believe, whoever from among you turns away from His system, then God will bring a people whom He loves and they love Him; humble towards the believers, proud towards the CONTRAVENERS; they strive in the cause of God and do not fear to be blamed by those who blame. This is the grace of God, He bestows it upon whom He wills; God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

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5:57 O you who have faith, do not take as allies those who have taken your system for mockery and play from among those who have been given the decree before you and the CONTRAVENERS. And be aware of God if you have faith.

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5:54 O you who believe, whoever from among you turns away from His system, then God will bring a people whom He loves and they love Him; humble towards the believers, proud towards the CONTRAVENER; they strive in the cause of God and do not fear to be blamed by those who blame. This is the grace of God, He bestows it upon whom He wills; God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

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5:61 And if they come to you they say: ?We believe,? while they had entered in with CONTRAVENTION and went out with the same. God is aware of what they were hiding.
5:62 And you see many of them hasten to sin and transgression and consuming money illicitly. Miserable indeed is what they were doing.

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5:64 And the Jews said: ?The hand of God is tied-down!? Their hands will be tied-down, and they will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and CONTRAVENTION; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time they ignite the fire of war, God puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and God does not love the corrupters.

. . .

5:70 We have taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and We sent to them Our messengers. Every time a messenger came to them with what their souls did not desire, a group of them they would CONTRAVENE, and a group of them they would kill.

5:71 And they did not consider it might be a test, so they were blind and deaf. But God would have accepted the repentance from them; but many of them were still blind and deaf. God is Seer over what they do.

. . .

5:78 Cursed are those who have CONTRAVENED from among the Children of Israel by the tongue of David and Jesus, son of Mary. That is for what they have disobeyed, and for what they transgressed.

5:79 They would not stop each other from doing vice. Mischief is what they used to do.

5:80 You see many of them allying the CONTRAVENERS. Straying is what their souls have provided for them, for the wrath of God is upon them, and in the retribution they will abide.

5:81 And if they had faith in God and the prophet, and what was sent down to him, then they would not have taken them as allies; but many of them are astray.

5:115 God said: ?I will send it down to you, but whoever CONTRAVENES after this from among you, I will punish him a punishment like no one else from the worlds will be punished!?

. . .


6:1 Praise be to God who has created the heavens and the earth, and Who made the darkness and the light; yet those who have CONTRAVENED their Master continue to deviate.

. . .


6:7 And if We had sent down to you a decree on parchment, and they touched it with their own hands, then those who have CONTRAVENED would say: ?This is but clear magic!?

. . .

6:11 Say: ?Roam the earth, then see what the punishment of the CONTRAVENERS was!?

. . .

6:38 And there is not a creature on the earth, nor a bird that flies with its wings, except they belong to communities like you belong. We did not leave anything out of the decree; then to their Lord they will be gathered.

6:89 Those to whom We have given the decree, and the authority, and the prophethood, if they CONTRAVENE it, then We will entrust it to a people who will not CONTRAVENE it.

. . .

6:121 And do not eat from that which the name of God has not been mentioned, for it is wickedness. And the devils they inspire their supporters to argue with you; and if you obey them, then you are associators (mushriks).

6:122 Is he who was dead and to whom We gave life, and We made for him a light to walk with among the people, as he whose example is in darkness and he will not exit from it? It is such that the work of the CONTRAVENERS has been adorned for them.

6:123 And as such, We have permitted in every town the influential from its criminals, to scheme in it. They only scheme their own souls without perceiving.

. . .

7:36 As for those who CONTRAVENE Our revelations, and become arrogant towards them; then these are the dwellers of the Fire, in it they will abide?

7:37 Who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or denies His revelations? These will receive their recompense from the decree; so that when Our messengers come to terminate their lives, they will say: ?Where are those whom you used to call on besides God?? They said: ?They have abandoned us!? And they bore witness upon themselves that they were CONTRAVENERS.

. . .

7:66 The leaders who CONTRAVENED from among his people said: ?We see you in foolishness, and we think you are one of the liars?

. . .

7:76 Those who were arrogant said: ?In that which you believe, we CONTRAVENE!?

7:77 They thus killed the camel and defied the command of their Lord, and they said: ?O Saleh, bring us what you promised us if you are of the messengers!?

. . .

8:36 Those who have rejected CONTRAVENED, they spend their money to turn others away from the path of God. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be defeated. Those who have CONTRAVENED will be gathered to Hell.

. . .

8:38 Say to the CONTRAVENERS: ?If they cease, then what has passed before will be forgiven to them, and if they return to it, then the example of the previous generations has already been given.?

8:39 And fight them all until there is no more oppression, and the entire system is for God. But if they cease, then God is Seer over what they do.

. . .

8:73 As for those who CONTRAVENE, they are allies to one another. If you do not do this, then there will be oppression on the earth and great corruption.

. . .

9:10 They do not respect those who have faith, nor a kinship, nor a pledge. These are the transgressors.

9:11 If they repent, and they hold the communion/melding, and they contribute towards purification, then they are your brothers in the system. We explain the revelations for a people who know.

9:12 And if they break their oaths after making their pledge, and they challenge the authority of your system; then you may kill the leaders of CONTRAVENTION. Their oaths are nothing to them, perhaps they will then cease.

9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths, and obsessed to expel the messenger, especially while they were the ones who attacked you first? Are you concerned about them? It is God who is more deserving that you be concerned with if you have faith.

9:14 Fight them; perhaps God will punish them by your hands and humiliate them and grant you victory over them and heal the chests of the faithful people.

9:15 And to remove the anger from their hearts; God pardons whom he pleases. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

. . .

9:54 And what prevented what they would spend from being accepted from them except that they CONTRAVENED God and His messenger, and they do not attend the communion/melding except lazily, and they do not spend except unwillingly.

. . .

9:55 So do not be impressed by their wealth or children; God only wishes to punish them with it in the worldly life, and so that their souls will be taken while they are CONTRAVENERS.

9:56 And they swear by God that they are with you, while they are not with you; but they are a people who are indecisive.

13:43 And those who CONTRAVENE say: ?You are not a missionary.? Say: ?God is enough as a witness between me and you; the One who has the knowledge of the decree.?

14:9 Did not news come to you of those before you: the people of Noah, and ?Aad, and Thamud, and those after them whom none know except God? Their messengers came to them with clarity, but they placed their hands onto their mouths and said: ?We are in CONTRAVENTION to what you have been sent with, and we are in doubt as to what you are inviting us to.?

14:13 And those who CONTRAVENED said to their messengers: ?We will expel you from our land, or you will return to our creed.? It was then that their Lord inspired to them: ?We will destroy the wicked.?

17:26 And give the relative his due, and the poor, and the wayfarer; and do not waste excessively.

17:27 Those who waste excessively are brothers to the devils, and the devil was to his Lord in CONTRAVENTION.

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Man of Faith

Is this mockery to my investigation or do you just to steal my finding with another word?

May harmony be on you some day
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muslims

Quote from: Man of Faith on June 05, 2014, 12:37:12 PM
Is this mockery to my investigation or do you just to steal my finding with another word?

May harmony be on you some day


You are very funny. . .  :laugh:

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Quote from: Man of Faith on June 05, 2014, 01:07:22 PMAllow me to say the same.

Do you disagree on the "translation" or you don't have anything else to say , and merely demonstrating some "diseases in your heart", perhaps ?

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Quote from: Man of Faith on June 05, 2014, 12:37:12 PM
Is this mockery to my investigation or do you just to steal my finding with another word?

May harmony be on you some day

Do not fret, brother.  Regardless of his reasoning, assess what he has presented critically, as we all do with everything we read.  Ideas are meant to be challenged and expanded upon, that's how we grow wiser.

Nobody who views this thread, I believe, is unaware of your thread.  That being said, I'm going to ask you brother 'muslims', why you didn't place this in his thread as opposed to making this new one? 

muslims

Quote from: Existential1 on June 05, 2014, 01:42:10 PMThat being said, I'm going to ask you brother 'muslims', why you didn't place this in his thread as opposed to making this new one?

Well. . firstly, he can be aggressive and emotional when someone disagrees with his opinion, and when he finds no logical ways to counter peoples' arguments with valid reasoning, (for example). He is the type of person who cannot handle his emotions very well.  :laugh:

Secondly, I have been banned twice because of the alleged being off-topic, and almost all of my threads have been locked. . simply because they did not understand the point I want to make, or could not accept my ideas or the methodology I used to prove the truth in any statements, the cross-examination methodology.

Thirdly, his thread is not about the interpretation of the words in the Quran, but it is about "Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity". How that this two related ?

Lastly, I mentioned his thread in the first post, which I acknowledged that this thread is in response to his post about the meaning of "Kafiroon".

Quote from: muslims on June 05, 2014, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: Man of Faith on June 01, 2014, 03:52:06 PM
"Those who oppose harmony and balance in the system are your kafiroon"

This is in response to the Man of Faith's argument that the word "Kafiroon" means "Opposition"

I couldn't agree with the translation. . and also,

I couldn't agree with all the translations that it means as "Disbeliever" or "Denier" etc. . .


Is this really an issue to response his thread in a new and relevant section ?  :confused:


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Peace,

No I have nothing to say except that you just seem to do this to have the final say in everything even if the word you picked is more or less synonymous to what I presented, but you always want to be best. And this is a disease in its own right in that case. I mean look. You just picked a word very closely related to what I said and then you argue like my choice of oppose was entirely wrong while complicating things while you did not even have a clue about this before I mentioned it in the first place.

It may be a case of plagiarism even if there is little I could or wished to do about it. To me it only matters that the truth is revealed no matter what muppet proclaims it.

Peace
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Quote from: Man of Faith on June 05, 2014, 02:02:53 PM
Peace,

No I have nothing to say except that you just seem to do this to have the final say in everything even if the word you picked is more or less synonymous to what I presented, but you always want to be best. And this is a disease in its own right in that case. I mean look. You just picked a word very closely related to what I said and then you argue like my choice of oppose was entirely wrong while complicating things while you did not even have a clue about this before I mentioned it in the first place.

It may be a case of plagiarism even if there is little I could or wished to do about it. To me it only matters that the truth is revealed no matter what muppet proclaims it.

Peace



Huh ? Where did you argue like what I said in this thread ?  :confused:

Show me. . . .

Quote from: muslims on June 05, 2014, 12:27:16 PM
Why it is a "Contravener" ?

To understand this we need to understand our relationship with God.

Our relationship with God is a "Contractual Relationship", it is a "Covenant" , ie. . .


                            And when your Lord
                            took from the children of Adam
                            from their loins
                            their descendants

                            and made them testify of themselves
                                               [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" <- This is our "Contract" or "Covenant" with God
                                               They said, "Yes, we have testified."
                                               [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
                                               "Indeed, we were of this unaware"
                            (7:172)


This is further described as below. . .

                            Who break the COVENANT of Allah after CONTRACTING it
                            and sever that which Allah has ordered to be joined
                            and cause corruption on earth.
                            It is those who are the losers.
                            2.27


                            And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the COVENANT of the prophets, [saying],
                            "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom
                            and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you,
                            you [must] believe in him and support him."
                            [ Allah ] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?"
                            They said, "We have acknowledged it."
                            He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
                            3.81

This is what Islam is all about, it is a "Contract" or a "Covenant" with God

Both parties have agreed to be bound by their Contract, or Covenant



This is equally true with Satan or Iblees , it is a Covenant or Contractual Relationship. . .



. . .


Quote from: Man of Faith on June 05, 2014, 02:02:53 PM
No I have nothing to say except that you just seem to do this to have the final say in everything

Don't blame me. . . blame Allah for giving me the clarity and understanding.

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Peace existential,

I do not care if he disagrees with my arguments but he can not pick my research and then simply change the word and say I was wrong while his new word has more or less the same meaning. He actually indirectly gives credit to my translation while it appears he does not.

It is a kind of joke to be honest because contravene has a more complex meaning than the simple k - f - r with two syllables. Oppose is just a mental image that tells you to... just oppose something. Work against something. And analyze contra - vene and you see that it virtually means the same thing just a more rare word.

That was why I asked if it was mockery of what I said because it looked so lame.

God bless you
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Quote from: Man of Faith on June 05, 2014, 02:14:16 PMI do not care if he disagrees with my arguments but he can not pick my research and then simply change the word and say I was wrong while his new word has more or less the same meaning. He actually indirectly gives credit to my translation while it appears he does not.

That's why I started this thread with the following statement . . .


Quote from: muslims on June 05, 2014, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: Man of Faith on June 01, 2014, 03:52:06 PM
"Those who oppose harmony and balance in the system are your kafiroon"

This is in response to the Man of Faith's argument that the word "Kafiroon" means "Opposition"

I couldn't agree with the translation. . and also,

I couldn't agree with all the translations that it means as "Disbeliever" or "Denier" etc. . .

. . .

Quote from: Man of Faith on June 05, 2014, 02:14:16 PMIt is a kind of joke to be honest because contravene has a more complex meaning than the simple k - f - r with two syllables. Oppose is just a mental image that tells you to... just oppose something. Work against something. And analyze contra - vene and you see that it virtually means the same thing just a more rare word.

That was why I asked if it was mockery of what I said because it looked so lame.

Try refer to some "legal dictionary" . . so that you can understand what is the word suitable for breach of covenant or contract.

It is not "opposition", "disbeliever", "rejecter" or "denier". . . but it is "contravene", in contravention of the terms and conditions of contract, ie. the Quran.

The Quran is the terms and conditions of our contract with Allah. It is our covenant.

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Yamibato

Hmmmmmm... :bravo:
that was a very informative post, and to be honest, according to my understanding, this meaning of Kafiroon is closer to what you have explained, than what they have said so far about it.

But honestly, I have to take yours as an opinion as well, I will put that in the list of meanings for this word, until the day comes where I can connect all the points and get the whole meaning.

So far, I have never thought of it this way, so this is totally new to me, but I will be honest, I have FELT that it might mean this way, i.e the way you explained it.

However I have known about this verse (7:172) of the testification, and with knowing that verse, and knowing "Kafir" comes from the root word "Kufr", which means "to hide, to conceal"...

So I have felt like when the messengers come to those people and to us, we all have this "Inner gut" feeling that (THIS IS IT!).. but we will hide -kufr- it because of something else.

Lets take a reference (for the sake of example not evidence) from the Biography of Muhammad, you know very well that his Uncle abu Lahab never believed in him, and the Qur'an has talked about him. There was a scene where Muhammad was asking his uncle "Why don't you believe in me when I have shown you that I'm a prophet from God"
his uncle replied "If I was convinced that you were, then I would have believed in you, but I know you are a liar so I don't think you are a messenger"

After that Muhammad leaves, and Abu Lahab tells the guy next to him "I know he is not a liar, I know he is a messenger, the reason why I refuse to believe in him is because God didn't choose a man from our sect of the Quraysh tribe to be a prophet, be he chose it from the other sect."

So as an example, I think you know now How I have understood Kufr so far...

And to me Kufr is not far away from meaning "Reject" as well... but I doubt it to be that simple...

Peace,
Thank you very much for that explanation,
Please criticize comment on my understanding,
So I may learn more, and correct my self in case I was wrong.

Yami.

Man of Faith

But it does not mean break a covenant it simply means oppose, simply oppose God or oppose the messenger or oppose whoever person, and your choice of word is not particularly different in meaning. It is just plagiarism. It is interesting that you can derive a such complicated meaning out of a very primitive word with only two syllables.

And this is why I wondered if you were just compiling this thread out of mockery at first. But at a second glance it seems you are serious.

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Quote from: Man of Faith on June 05, 2014, 02:27:53 PMBut it does not mean break a covenant it simply means oppose, simply oppose God or oppose the messenger or oppose whoever person, and your choice of word is not particularly different in meaning.


God is claiming our promise , our testimonial. . .ie. our Covenant, so that He can fulfil His promise to us.

                       O Children of Israel, remember My favor which I have bestowed upon you
                       and fulfill My covenant [upon you]
                       that I will fulfill your covenant [from Me],

                       and be afraid of [only] Me.
                       2.40

and I'm not interested in circular reasoning or argument by repetition . .

              It is to oppose. It is to oppose. It is to oppose.
              It is to oppose. It is to oppose. It is to oppose.
              Therefore , it is to oppose.

It will bring more light to the discussion if we can give reasons for our counterargument.

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I prefer to leave your discussion. You can discuss it with whomever you wish. You have my arguments and that is enough.
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Quote from: Yamibato on June 05, 2014, 02:24:34 PMSo far, I have never thought of it this way

Many are, but when people try to find out why God are claiming so many things from us,
Then we will try to look out who made such promises in the first place. .

It is us who promise to God, and now many are breaking the terms and conditions of their Contract with God, i.e. the Quran.

So. . it is fair, it is our decision. . . and it is our mistake to make such promises to God!

                  Indeed, we offered the Trust (Covenant, Contract)
                                    to the heavens
                                    and the earth
                                    and the mountains,
                                    and they declined to bear it and feared it;
                  but man [undertook to] bear it.
                  Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant.
                  33.72

Men are ignorant. . .

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Some example. . . suitable word when it is relating to breach of contract or breach of law and order.

Contravention ? when a court finds a party has not complied with (followed) a court order , that party is in contravention of (or has breached) the order (e.g. word to be used if it is relation to the God's order?).


Attorney General v Bennet

QuoteThe respondent in this case (whom I shall refer to as "the accused" hereafter for convenience) was charged in the High Court firstly with possession of weaponry with the intention to commit an act of insurgency, banditry, sabotage or terrorism in contravention of s 10(1) of the Public Order and Security Act [Chapter 11:17].   Arising from that charge were alternative charges of ?

(a)        possession of dangerous weapons in contravention of s 11(1) of the Public Order and Security Act; or

(b)        unlawful possession of prohibited firearms in contravention of s 24(1)(d) of the Firearms Act [Chapter 10:09]; or

(c)        unlawful possession of firearms in contravention of s 4 of the Firearms Act.

On the second count, the accused was charged with incitement to commit, or conspiracy to commit, an act of insurgency in contravention of s 6 of the Public Order and Security Act.


I.C. Golaknath and Ors. vs State of Punjab and Anrs.

Quote"The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the right conferred by this Part and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of contravention, be void." The Court also ruled that Fundamental Rights included in Part III of the Constitution are given a "transcendental position"


I believe no one should use "oppose" if it is related to breach of contract or breach/violation of law and order, it is quite absurd to use that term. Go ask any lawyers, or those with legal backgrounds. . . What terms they used when speaking in court or drafting legal documents? "Oppose" or "in contravention"?  . . . Therefore, it is quite absurd to use the term "disbeliever", "rejecter", "denier", "opposition" when it is relating to the violation of law and order in the Quran, when it is relating to "compliance".

However and when we used the word "contravene", people will asked contravene what ? Therefore, people will be reminded and the context will be closely related to their Covenant with God, ie. their promises and the terms and conditions of their Covenant in the Quran. All these terms and conditions is referring to Islam, and Muslim are those who obey their promises to God. The non Muslim are those who breach or in contravention of their Covenant. The focus is now on the Quran, on balance and justice . . . and not on belief that cannot be proven through facts. It is about balance, and it is about justice.



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Disbeliever = Contravener
Muslim = Conformer



Quotecon?form  [kuhn-fawrm]  Show IPA
verb (used without object)
1. to act in accordance or harmony; comply (usually followed by to  ): to conform to rules.
2. to act in accord with the prevailing standards, attitudes, practices, etc., of society or a group: One has to conform in order to succeed in this company.
3. to be or become similar in form, nature, or character.
4. to be in harmony or accord.
5. to comply with the usages of an established church, especially the Church of England.

conform  (kənˈfɔːm)

? vb  (usually foll by to ) (usually foll by with )
1.   to comply in actions, behaviour, etc, with accepted standards or norms
2.   to be in accordance; fit in: he conforms with my idea of a teacher
3.   to make or become similar in character or form
4.   ( intr ) to comply with the practices of an established church, esp the Church of England
5.   ( tr ) to bring (oneself, ideas, etc) into harmony or agreement

[C14: from Old French conformer,  from Latin confirmāre  to establish, strengthen, from  firmāre  to make firm, from firmus firm 1 ]

con'former

? n

con'formingly

? adv


con?form  (kn-f?rm)
v. con?formed, con?form?ing, con?forms
v.intr.
1. To correspond in form or character; be similar.
2. To act or be in accord or agreement; comply: a computer that conforms to the manufacturer's advertising claims. See Synonyms at agree.
3. To act in accordance with current customs or modes. See Synonyms at adapt.
v.tr.
To bring into agreement or correspondence; make similar.

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another example to show that our relationship with God is a contractual or based on our covenant with Allah

                       A generation came after them who inherited the Scripture,
                       but they took the materialism of this world, which is lower; and they say:
                       ?It will be forgiven for us.?
                       And if materialism again comes to them they take it;

                       was not the COVENANT of the Scripture taken on them that they would only say the truth about God?
                       And they studied what was in it;
                       but the abode of the Hereafter is better for those who are aware.
                       Do you not comprehend?
                       7.169

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Yamibato

Amazing...
May Allah guide us all.

Peace,
Yami.

Existential1

If you'd like to further your study of the whole covenant/contravener issue, I'd suggest reading up on the Torah and Gospel.  Its a central theme there. 

Refer to these: The Noahic Covenant [Gen 9:8-17]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+9%3A8-17&version=NRSVCE
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8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him, 9 ?As for me, I am establishing my covenant with you and your descendants after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the domestic animals, and every animal of the earth with you, as many as came out of the ark.[a] 11 I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of a flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.? 12 God said, ?This is the sign of the covenant that I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations: 13 I have set my bow in the clouds, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 When I bring clouds over the earth and the bow is seen in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant that is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 When the bow is in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.? 17 God said to Noah, ?This is the sign of the covenant that I have established between me and all flesh that is on the earth.?

Abrahamic Covenant [Genesis 17:1-27]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+17%3A1-27&version=NRSVCE
17 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said to him, ?I am God Almighty;[a] walk before me, and be blameless. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and you, and will make you exceedingly numerous.? 3 Then Abram fell on his face; and God said to him, 4 ?As for me, this is my covenant with you: You shall be the ancestor of a multitude of nations. 5 No longer shall your name be Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you the ancestor of a multitude of nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant between me and you, and your offspring after you throughout their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you. 8 And I will give to you, and to your offspring after you, the land where you are now an alien, all the land of Canaan, for a perpetual holding; and I will be their God.?

9 God said to Abraham, ?As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 Throughout your generations every male among you shall be circumcised when he is eight days old, including the slave born in your house and the one bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring. 13 Both the slave born in your house and the one bought with your money must be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.?

15 God said to Abraham, ?As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name. 16 I will bless her, and moreover I will give you a son by her. I will bless her, and she shall give rise to nations; kings of peoples shall come from her.? 17 Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said to himself, ?Can a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? Can Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?? 18 And Abraham said to God, ?O that Ishmael might live in your sight!? 19 God said, ?No, but your wife Sarah shall bear you a son, and you shall name him Isaac.  I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his offspring after him. 20 As for Ishmael, I have heard you; I will bless him and make him fruitful and exceedingly numerous; he shall be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this season next year.? 22 And when he had finished talking with him, God went up from Abraham.

23 Then Abraham took his son Ishmael and all the slaves born in his house or bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham?s house, and he circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very day, as God had said to him. 24 Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. 25 And his son Ishmael was thirteen years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. 26 That very day Abraham and his son Ishmael were circumcised; 27 and all the men of his house, slaves born in the house and those bought with money from a foreigner, were circumcised with him.

Mosaic Covenant [Exodus 19-24]http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+19-24&version=NRSVCE  (It's really [Exodus 20-24], but Exodus 19 has relevance to the Ten Commandments given in Exodus 20.)
20 Then God spoke all these words:

2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 you shall have no other gods before me.

4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

8 Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work. 10 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work?you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.

12 Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

13 You shall not murder.

14 You shall not commit adultery.

15 You shall not steal.

16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 You shall not covet your neighbor?s house; you shall not covet your neighbor?s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

18 When all the people witnessed the thunder and lightning, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking, they were afraid and trembled and stood at a distance, 19 and said to Moses, ?You speak to us, and we will listen; but do not let God speak to us, or we will die.? 20 Moses said to the people, ?Do not be afraid; for God has come only to test you and to put the fear of him upon you so that you do not sin.? 21 Then the people stood at a distance, while Moses drew near to the thick darkness where God was.




I realize not everyone is comfortable or finds it necessary to read the Torah or Gospel, but in supplementing the Quran, there are no other works said to be the Word at the time of their creation.  And because the Quran affirms that which came before it, it's probably a good idea to be well-versed in those books which came before, ie, the Torah and Gospel. 

So, I believe if you take the time to read up on these covenants, you'll find that the word is applicable to the Quran.

:peace:

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marvellous! this is our basis to claim from them a consensus of opinions (ijma) . . and ijtihad on many issues.

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

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Quote from: Existential1 on June 09, 2014, 01:17:14 PMI realize not everyone is comfortable or finds it necessary to read the Torah or Gospel, but in supplementing the Quran, there are no other works said to be the Word at the time of their creation.  And because the Quran affirms that which came before it, it's probably a good idea to be well-versed in those books which came before, ie, the Torah and Gospel. 

I believe the Torah, Gospel and the Quran is "One Book of Allah", and we need to use the "Confirming Function" of the Quran and "logic" to decide the truth and the falsehood.

Refer here: What is the Quran ?

Quote from: muslims on May 31, 2014, 05:35:25 AM
These three Books is the Quran. . . One Book!

and after all these episodes, Allah then said:

                 Today I have perfected your system for you
                 and completed My blessings upon you
                 and I have accepted submission as the system for you
                 5.3


The revelations are a continuing process. . .

it is an episodes and it ended with Muhammad

ended! . . not started from Muhammad !


Therefore, they are our brothers and sisters!

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed