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Started by sword of tashayyu, June 06, 2014, 03:34:46 AM

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muslims


Everything in this world is subjected to the "law of cause and effect"; the Sunnatullah, and when people setting up partners with God, that is not the "cause", but it is the "effect". Pointing out the "effect" will not solve anything. We have to go deep further to look out the "cause" and bring out the solutions through aligning it with God's guidance, since God will not change our conditions until we ourselves change our conditions.

Of course, we can also simply take the easy way and said God can do such and such, that is God, this is God. .  and rest our faith blindly to God without even using our sense perception to understand the world around us, but according to the Quran. . I believe it is equal to:

         And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind.
         They have hearts with which they do not understand
         they have eyes with which they do not see
         and they have ears with which they do not hear
         Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray.
         It is they who are the heedless.
         7.179

Whereas the traits of a True Believer is the opposite of the above description. I believe the True Believers are those who used their sense perception and rational thinking, being fully aware of the world around them, and bring out the solutions from the guidance given by God, ie. the Quran.

         And whoever turns away from My direction and guidance
         his worldly sustenance will be narrowed
         and We shall raise him blind on the Day of Resurrection
         20.124

I rest the discussion here since it is purely based on personal opinion without support from the Quran to answer the issue (authority, verses to support the order of the revelations), and which it is pointless.

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but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

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Peace,

I think Scribbler had support from the recitation and not from other sources.

God bless you
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muslims


The verse that Scribbler gave is supporting my argument for the chronological order of the Chapters.

It does not counter my argument.

               And those who rejected said:

                              "If only the Qur'an was sent down to him in one go!"

               It was done as such (chronologically) so We could strengthen your heart with it,
               and We arranged it accordingly
               And for every example they come to you with,
               We bring you the truth and the best explanation.

               25.32-33

and "We arranged it accordingly" was said before the Quran being compiled
Therefore, God is referring the "syllabus" . . . the chronological order of the revelations
and it is the ways of God to introduce Islam to our last Prophet, and mankind
it is the method to strengthen our heart with the proper understanding of the Quran

That's how God wants us to read the Quran, in the chronological order of the Chapters , not in current order.

Contradictorily, the verse suggests that the Contraveners wants the Quran not in the chronological order of its revelations.


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Example how the chronological order can strengthen our understanding and the heart

What is Islam? : Objective: To practice the Quran within the next 10-30 years

Example
        First Chapter
        Second Chapter


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Quote from: muslims on June 07, 2014, 03:09:51 PM
My argument. . the chronological order of the Chapters is the "ways of God" to introduce Islam to the last Prophet, accordingly. . . to all Muslims. It is the syllabus for us to understand Islam, and there is no authority from the Quran for us to change that order, not even Muhammad (or whoever he was). (main issue)

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

mmkhan

Quote from: muslims on June 07, 2014, 02:38:54 PM
You are sure desperate, don't you guys have anything else to do other than being a sectarian, make nonsense claim about Allah (mocking),  using the ad hominem and raising irrelevant issues ? Such as using logical explanations to counter people's argument respectfully ?

Yes I am, because of your behavior. And we are here to see proof from alQuraan on your [fake] claims and we are not here to see your [il]logical explanations.

You jump from one topic to another and when people reply to that, you say you are going off-topic. You simply try to prove others wrong. And wanted to win every argument no matter how.

If you don't believe me and wanted to see actually how many people think about you in this way, my poll about you [not yet started] will show you the clear results, inshaAllah.


May Allah protect us :pr
mmKhan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

muslims


Read from the start and find out yourself what relevant point did you bring to this thread ?

Or merely resorting to ad hominem, irrelevant issues and your nonsense ?

But I guess you are lucky, because you can be off topic, but I cannot. This is the forum rules.

Therefore, you can prove your point in this thread.


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Quote from: mmkhan on June 08, 2014, 07:46:07 AM
If you don't believe me and wanted to see actually how many people think about you in this way, my poll about you [not yet started] will show you the clear results, inshaAllah.

To bad, do you also wish to chop off my head ?  :laugh:

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

mmkhan

Quote from: muslims on June 08, 2014, 07:49:53 AM
Read from the start and find out yourself what relevant point did you bring to this thread ?

Or merely resorting to ad hominem, irrelevant issues and your nonsense ?

But I guess you are lucky, because you can be off topic, but I cannot. This is the forum rules.

Therefore, you can prove your point in this thread.

To bad, do you also wish to chop off my head ?  :laugh:

Sure, I do respect the forum rules, inshaAllah I will reply to this post in the link given.
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

muslims


Good and make sure you use rational thinking, and do not fall within this category of people.

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[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

muslims


I wonder if anyone have read or have any comments on this book by Dr Bill Warner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

QuoteThe standard Koran is arranged by length of chapter. The longest chapter is at the beginning and the shortest chapters are at the end. This makes it confusing and hard to understand. You can read and understand AN ABRIDGED KORAN. The words of the Koran are woven back into Mohammed's life. This is the way the Koran unfolded in the first place. It was recorded over the course of Mohammed's life.

AN ABRIDGED KORAN recreates the historical order of the Koran of Mohammed's day. The first chapters start with Mohammed's first recitation and the last chapters are those he recited before he died. Mohammed's life gives the Koran clarity, meaning, and order. When the Koran and Mohammed's life are brought together, the Koran becomes a powerful epic story.

AN ABRIDGED KORAN is identical to A SIMPLE KORAN except it has all of the repetition removed. For instance, the story of Moses and the Pharaoh is told 39 times. In AN ABRIDGED KORAN the story is told only once. Read AN ABRIDGED KORAN. It will change the way you see the world.

just wondering on the statistic and the balance in Islam between Mecca and Medina. . .even though it is not quite accurate.

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed