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Where was the pilgrimage to, before the change of Qibla?

Started by TheQuranAloneRevolution, March 23, 2014, 10:28:09 AM

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Does anyone have any traditional sources of where was the pilgrimage done, before the change of the Qibla?
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Wakas

AFAIK according to Traditional Islamic history, the hajj was always to Mecca. Of course, prior to prophet Muhammad and in a different region, they may have had their own hajj in their localities.

It is interesting to note that many of these concepts are only introduced late on into The Quran's revelation. I recommend:
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.html
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
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Roshan

Peace:

But certainly some say there are no contempory sources that mention Mecca for 100-200 years after the death of Muhammad.

Roshan

Wakas

Quote from: Roshan on April 15, 2014, 11:34:24 AM
Peace:

But certainly some say there are no contempory sources that mention Mecca for 100-200 years after the death of Muhammad.

Roshan

As far as I know this is true.
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GODsubmitter

Quote from: TheQuranAloneRevolution on March 23, 2014, 10:28:09 AM
Does anyone have any traditional sources of where was the pilgrimage done, before the change of the Qibla?

WOW! This is a VERY good question!

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God is running everything.

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GODsubmitter

Quote from: Roshan on April 15, 2014, 11:34:24 AM
Peace:

But certainly some say there are no contempory sources that mention Mecca for 100-200 years after the death of Muhammad.

Roshan

Thank you for this!!!
I didn't know that!
It raises some very important issues!
hm...
:confused:

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God is running everything.

Peace begins with me.

357

Quote from: TheQuranAloneRevolution on March 23, 2014, 10:28:09 AM
Does anyone have any traditional sources of where was the pilgrimage done, before the change of the Qibla?

I would just try and take the high road - to all that is good, according to what i can manage unfortunately, we are all weak to an extent.

try and make the qibla of goodness rather then badness in any of its forms - that is a change worth every dime for to us - i think.  :peace:

good logic

Peace .

Kaaba & Mecca In History

Edward Gibbon writes about the Ka'bah and its existence before the Christian era in his book:

..... of blind mythology of barbarians - of the local deities, of the stars, the air, and the earth, of their sex or titles, their attributes or subordination. Each tribe, each family, each independent worrier, created and changed the rites and the object of this fantastic worship; but the nation, in every age, has bowed to the religion as well as to the language of Mecca. The genuine antiquity of Caaba ascends beyond the Christian era: in describing the coast of the Red sea the Greek historian Diodorus has remarked, between the Thamudites and the Sabeans, a famous temple, whose superior sanctity was revered by all the Arabians; the linen of silken veil, which is annually renewed by the Turkish emperor, was first offered by the Homerites, who reigned seven hundred years before the time of Mohammad.[2]

Diodorus Siculus was a Greek historian of 1st century BC who wrote Bibliotheca Historica, a book describing various parts of the discovered world. The following lines are the English translation of Greek quoted by Gibbon from the book of Diodorus Siculus (Diodorus of Sicily) describing the 'temple' considered to be the the holiest in the whole of Arabia.

And a temple has been set-up there, which is very holy and exceedingly revered by all Arabians.[3]

It is interesting to know that Claudius Ptolemy of Alexandria, mathematician and astronomerastronomer, flourishing about a century after Pliny, undertook to make an atlas of the habitable world. He was not a descriptive geographer, and his book was intended to be no more than a commentary on his maps. He enumerated some hundred and fourteen cities or villages in Arabia Felix.

For example, Dumaetha, placed by Ptolemy just outside the northern boundary of Arabia Felix, must be the mediaeval Arabian Daumet, which is today the chief village of the great oasis of Jauf. Hejr, famous in the "times of ignorance" as the seat of a kingdom, and now Medayin Salih, is Ptolemy's Egra. His Thaim is Teima, now known for its inscriptions to have had temples and some sort of civilization as far back as 500 BC. It is the Tema of Job. In Lathrippa, placed inland from Iambia (Yambo), we recognize the Iathrippa of Stephan of Byzantium, the Yathrib of the early Arab traditions, now honoured as El Medina, the City of Cities.[4]

Apart from this a place called Macoraba is also shown which is identified as Mecca (please refer to the map facing page 17 of reference [3]). G E von Grunebaum says:

Mecca is mentioned by Ptolemy, and the name he gives it allows us to identify it as a South Arabian foundation  created around a sanctuary.[5]

GOD bless.
Peace.


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Jafar

Quote from: good logic on April 15, 2014, 06:40:54 PM
the Greek historian Diodorus has remarked, between the Thamudites and the Sabeans, a famous temple, whose superior sanctity was revered by all the Arabians; the linen of silken veil, which is annually renewed by the Turkish emperor, was first offered by the Homerites, who reigned seven hundred years before the time of Mohammad.[2]

Diodorus Siculus was a Greek historian of 1st century BC who wrote Bibliotheca Historica,

Peace Good Logic
I stumble upon a not so good logic on the thing that I highlighted above.
If Diodorus was living in 1st century BC then there wasn't any "Turkish Emperor" in existence during that time.
As matter of fact the word "Turkish" was not even invented yet.

Found this as reference:
http://www.theoi.com/Text/DiodorusSiculus4A.html
And I've tried to look for Mecca, Becca, Arabian Temple and found none being mentioned.


good logic

Peace Jafar.

The word "renewed" tells you they were of different era.

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