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Ali Nasser

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Consecutive 'ashur' and the duration of fasting?
« on: February 18, 2014, 07:03:06 PM »
What quranic evidence is there to suggest the sacred full moons are consecutive? (just to verify, not in disagreement) and Ayman in the popular ramadan post said it was ten days the duration of the fast, where did he come to that conclusion if someone could elaborate?

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Re: Consecutive 'ashur' and the duration of fasting?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 07:26:44 PM »
What quranic evidence is there to suggest the sacred full moons are consecutive? (just to verify, not in disagreement) and Ayman in the popular ramadan post said it was ten days the duration of the fast, where did he come to that conclusion if someone could elaborate?

Peace Ali -- need to read very carefully each word as written which a slight difference changes meaning.

2:226  forswearing from womenfolk theirs wait اربعه quartet (written with trailing ?ه? means group of four) ashr/lunar cycles (leading alif denotes plural)

9:5 so when withdrew الاشهر al-ashr/the lunar cycles the prohibited

Likewise with numbers thirty, thirtieth, etc. are written slightly different; examples...

7:142 and appointed we Moses ثلاثىن thirty night and completed we it with ten so was set term lord his اربعىن forty night

46:15 and carry his and separation his ثلاثون thirtieth shra/lunar cycle of

74:30 علىها over her/it تسعه nonet عشر ten (nineteen group)


Thus over hell group of nineteen not ?the number" else written تسع nine عشر ten (nineteen)



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Re: Consecutive 'ashur' and the duration of fasting?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 05:19:00 AM »
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9:5 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and they hold the contact prayer, and they contribute towards purification, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:28 O you who believe, the polytheists are impure, so let them not approach the Restricted Temple after this year of theirs; and if you fear poverty, then God will enrich you from His blessings if He wills. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

unless Allah changed opinion between 9-5 and 9-28, seems thats
delay of the "restricted months" equal a year.

i recall that four ashor haral are (first full moon after autum, equinox, the 4th full moon, and the 7th full moon, and the 10 th full month).

Theory of "consecutive Ashor haram" have to explain how four months=one year

i recall also that hajj is used by quran as period of time to mean trimester  (Moses duration of work with his step father 8 hojjaj or ten).


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Re: Consecutive 'ashur' and the duration of fasting?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2014, 07:27:57 PM »
Doesn't make sense. When it says 'when the restricted months have passed (insalakh) it means consecutively, because that word means 'to skin', which you would do one layer, than the next, till you get to the inner most part of whatever you are skinning hence the term consecutively.