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Understanding the story of Lot and homosexuality

Started by GODsubmitter, January 10, 2014, 08:41:19 PM

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GODsubmitter

IMPORTANT!

When Science is Context Three Questions Show
The Men of the Quranic Lot Story
Are Heterosexual men not Homosexual men


Introduction:

Today, there are many studies showing sexual orientation is not environmentally influenced, but rather individuals are born with a sexual orientation.

        See Parts I-IX Below

         

        Applying these studies as an element of context within the Quranic Lot story, the story shows a condemnation of lustful homosexual acts of heterosexual men, and not a condemnation of homosexual acts of homosexual men. In other words, and the thesis of this short article, the men of the Quranic Lot story are heterosexual men not homosexual men. To support this thesis, I will share three commonsensical questions that must be asked about the Quranic Lot story when these studies become part of the story's context.

         

        First Question:

        The first question that must be asked when these studies become part of the context is found in the Quran verse 7:81. The verse states,

         

        ". . . with lust you approach men instead of women . . ."

        (Quran 7:81, M. Asad)

         

        As seen, this verse uses ?instead of.? This usage shows the men of the Quranic Lot story are heterosexual men. How? Because the question that must be asked with science as context: Can homosexual men approach women ?instead of? men?

         

        Second Question:

        The second question that must be asked when these studies become part of the context is found in the Quran verse 11:78. The verse states,

         

        ". . . Said [Lot]: "O my people! [Take instead] these daughters of mine: they are purer for you [than men]! . . ."

        (Quran 11:78, M. Asad)

         

        As seen, this verse states that Lot offered his daughters to these men. This offering shows the men of the Quranic Lot story are heterosexual men. How? Because the question that must be asked with science as context: Would Lot offer homosexual men his daughters?

         

        Third Question:

        The third question that must be asked when these studies become part of the context is found in the Quran verse 26:166. The verse states,

         

        "keeping yourselves aloof from all the [lawful] spouses whom your Sustainer has created for you? . . ."

        (Quran 26:166, M. Asad)

         

        As seen, this verse states God created spouses for these men. This creating of spouses for these men shows the men of the Quranic Lot story are heterosexual men. How? Because the question that must be asked with science as context: Would God create women for homosexual men?

         

        Conclusion:

        When science is context, these three questions are enough to rightly question the long held belief that the Quranic Lot story is a condemnation of homosexual acts of homosexual men rather than a condemnation of lustful homosexual acts of heterosexual men.

         

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The source:
http://www.godists.com/articles/islam_when_science_is_context_three_questions_show_the_men_of_the_quranic_lot_story_are_heterosexual_men_not_homosexual_men

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To the OP

The science you talk about is deeply flawed and funded by those that thrive on lies and deception.

Quran condemns this kind of behaviour. The verses are clear.
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Mino-taur

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I don't think he meant to use the word science. He is however using logical arguments.
Yes. The verses are clear. It is clear that nowhere in the Quran is being Homosexual itself forbidden. The act of Homosexuality (i.e. engaging in homosexual intercourse) is not prohibited for Homosexuals. Rather, as the logic and questions given by the OP, the Quran suggests engaging in Homosexual acts if you are heterosexual is a great lewdness. What happened during the scenario of the story of Lut, is that it was a case of Same gender Rape (which still happens today) used as a scare/dominance tactic.

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It is wrong to say people are born homosexual or that people are not born homosexuals, or orientation or whatever, because there are those who have a natural tendency and there others who do nto have and acquire it, be it in one sense or on another. Both things exists. The same as there are people who are more prude or less prude, more sexually active or les sexually active. People who are more curious and experimental in that kind of thing and people who are just "classic". People capable of enjoying with either sex and people uncapable of it.

People are not divided neatly in that kind of thing. It would be nice and comfortable if things were that way, and we could go on for ages expounding great theories that would solve everything, but the problem is reality is not that way and homos are born but also are made, just the same as heteros and bis and whatever one cares to think of.

We jsut have to face that sexuality is a domain where many deep problems end up. Or that many times sexuality itself is a problem for the person. In fact, life is a problem or a big chain of problems, why should sex not come with problems too? It does. Not for everybody, just as heart diseases do not happen to everybody, but for many people it is. What is self-deluding is to think that having problems is wrong in itself. Having problems is part of life.

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Quote from: GODsubmitter on January 10, 2014, 08:41:19 PM
Today, there are many studies showing sexual orientation is not environmentally influenced, but rather individuals are born with a sexual orientation.

Being "born gay" is false, and has been shown by scientific studies.

Research the studies done on genetically identical twins, who later in life, one is homosexual, one heterosexual. This is very common.


Secondly, the story of Lot has been discussed in detail on this forum multiple times. I recommend reading such threads, e.g.
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602272.msg295319#msg295319
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

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            And those who guard their private parts <- ALL human beings have private parts, including homosexual
            Except from their wives <- referring to "marriages", and "men"
            or those their right hands possess
            for indeed, they are not to be blamed
            But whoever seeks beyond that
            then they are the transgressors
            (70:29-31)


Therefore . . .

Premise 1 : The Qur'an says men must guard their "private parts", except from their wives
Premise 2 : Gays are men and have "private parts"
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Therefore (rule): Gays must guard their "private parts", except from their wives
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IF THEN ELSE.

      IF gays are men
            THEN gays must guard their private parts except from their wives
      ELSE show an ayat that Allah sets them free from this obligation
      END IF

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