How Do Hadith-rejecters Interpret 8:12

[Israfeel]

إِذْ يُوحِي رَبُّكَ إِلَى الْمَلآئِكَةِ أَنِّي مَعَكُمْ فَثَبِّتُواْ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ سَأُلْقِي فِي قُلُوبِ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ الرَّعْبَ فَاضْرِبُواْ فَوْقَ الأَعْنَاقِ وَاضْرِبُواْ مِنْهُمْ كُلَّ بَنَانٍ

Remember your Lord inspired the Angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (Surah 8:12)

According to the understanding of orthodox Hadith-believing Sunni Muslims, this was a true historical event from the Battle of Badr.

According to Hadith history, in the aftermath of the Battle of Badr, the Muslims inspected the dead bodies of the disbelieving warriors and noticed that some of the bodies had burns on their necks, fingertips and toes. Since we Sunni Muslims believe that an army of Angels led by their general Gibraeel (Alaihe salaam) literally participated in the Battle of Badr, therefore this verse was literally fulfilled because those mysterious burn marks were the injuries inflicted by the Angels.

However, since Hadith-rejecters reject the Hadith and the history related by Hadith, so how do they interpret this verse from the Quran. I would be very interested to know.

[muslims]

I'm not a hadith rejector.. but I said, the issue is not about the Deen of Islam.

So.. doesn't matter to the Deen of Islam.

[Israfeel]

I'm not a hadith rejector.. but I said, the issue is not about the Deen of Islam.

So.. doesn't matter to the Deen of Islam.

The Quran is not an issue about the Deen of Islam? We are talking about an Ayah from the Pure Quran here.

[muslims]

Nope.. that's why there are verses Allah ask us to ignore.. follow the straight path

The Deen of Islam concerns with obedience and human unity.

Irrelevant issues will bring tension in the society, and causing division.

             O you who have believed
             DO NOT ask about things which
             if they are shown to you
             will distress you <- "distress", factor that cause division in the society
             5.101

[Israfeel]

Nope.. that's why there are verses Allah ask us to ignore

Allah tells us to ignore His own words? That hardly makes any sense. On the contrary, the Quran repeatedly appeals to the Believers to ponder over its verses entirely.

You say to ignore some verses of the Quran. The Quran never says that, it says:

أَفَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِبَعْضِ الْكِتَابِ وَتَكْفُرُونَ بِبَعْضٍ فَمَا جَزَاء مَن يَفْعَلُ ذَلِكَ مِنكُمْ إِلاَّ خِزْيٌ فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يُرَدُّونَ إِلَى أَشَدِّ الْعَذَابِ وَمَا اللّهُ بِغَافِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ

Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. (Sura 2:86)

[muslims]

Allah tells us to ignore His own words? That hardly makes any sense.

The objective of obedience to Allah is to simplify life so that people from different traditions and backgrounds can share the value in Islam...

The society cannot unite if there are so many value conflicts in the society..

therefore, it does make sense...

from many nations, to one single nation..

this is Islam

Mankind was one single nation (2.213)




verse 5.101 and...

[Israfeel]

It seems you are someone who has gone even beyond the Quran-only movement and have crafted an entirely new sect which rejects or ignores verses of the Quran which you aren't comfortable with. My only question is where have you derived such a torturous and bizarre principle?

The Quran says it is a Book of guidance for the righteous. Al-Kitab means book (not part of the book), but the entire book from cover to cover.

ذَلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لاَ رَيْبَ فِيهِ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ

This is the Book, there is no doubt in it, a Guidance for the Righteous fearers (Sura 2:3)

According to your position, it should be 'This is the Book, there is some doubt in it and some verses should be ignored, it is not a complete guidance for the righteous'

Now your only answer to this verse is to say that it should be ignored as well! LOL

In such situation all I can say is Qaaloo Salama (hope you know why)

[muslims]

The answer is from the Quran and May Allah guide me to the straight path ..

The rules in the Quran have priority or sometimes known as Fiqh Awwaliyah...

The understanding of its awwaliyah (priority) and the ability to apply the rules at the right time, right place, right people for justice to the whole society... is "wisdom". Islam is not simply the matter of being right or wrong, but about just and balance as a whole (Sunnatullah).

[Israfeel]

The answer is from the Quran and May Allah guide me to the straight path ..

The rules in the Quran have priority or sometimes known as Fiqh Awwaliyah...

The understanding of its awwaliyah (priority) and the ability to apply the rules at the right time, right place, right people for justice to the whole society... is "wisdom". Islam is not simply the matter of being right or wrong, but about just and balance as a whole (Sunnatullah).

Still you haven't quoted a single verse from the Quran to back up your strange and innovated new principle. I venture to say that this new principle you have created for interpreting the Quran (by arbitrarily ignoring so many verses) is comparable to tearing a book to shreds.

The Quran speaks about people like you when it says

الَّذِينَ جَعَلُوا الْقُرْآنَ عِضِينَ

(So also on such) as have made Qur'an into shreds (as they please). (Sura 15:91)

[muslims]

Still you haven't quoted a single verse from the Quran to back up your strange and innovated new principle.

I have already mentioned it from the start....

                3.7
                5.101-105
                and also refer to 2.67-71
                and 2.111-115
                Book from your scholar - Fiqh al-Aulawiyat - Yusuf al-Qardhawi

and the verse that are specific to your issue, ie. relating to history...

                They will say there were three
                the fourth of them being their dog

                and they will say there were five
                the sixth of them being their dog

                guessing at the unseen

                and they will say there were seven
                and the eighth of them was their dog

                Say, [O Muhammad], "My Lord is most knowing of their number
                None knows them except a few

                So DO NOT argue about them except with an obvious argument <- "DO NOT" ... obey or disobey?
                and DO NOT inquire about them among [the speculators] from anyone."
                (18.22)

and the verse that are specific to what is Islam

                He has made plain to you <- Islam in a nutshell
                of the Deen
                                what He enjoined upon Nuh
                                and that which We have revealed to you
                                and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim
                                and Musa
                                and Isa
                that keep to obedience
                and be not divided therein
                Difficult for those who associate others with Allah is that to which you invite them. <- sectarianism
                (42:13)

                For you is your deen <- sectarianism, cf. 30.31-32
                and for me is my deen <- living justly - cf. 3.67-68
                (109.6)


By the way and things you might consider.. Allah said the Book has no doubt (2.2), but the Quran has many issues that cannot be explained... the mutasyaabihaat. Refer also to (56.77-79)..