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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2014, 10:40:29 AM »
Good Logic,

I know you meant salat with 2,4,4,3,4 units in each of 5 salats respectively, right? The salat units can be found NOWHERE in the Qur'an.
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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2014, 12:28:48 PM »
Peace Yuliana.

I believe "salat" is preserved from Abraham. Including the units.

Qoran corrected only what was corrupted/lost...

[Quran 21:73] We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Salat and the obligatory charity (Zakat)....

In fact, according to the Quran, Islam is called the religion of Abraham, and Muhammad was a follower of Abraham. So were Isaac, Ismail, Jacob, Moses, Aaron, Jesus, and other messengers of God.

Abraham was indeed an exemplary vanguard in his submission to God, a monotheist who never worshiped idols. Because he was appreciative of His Lord's blessings, He chose him and guided him in a straight path. We granted him happiness in this life, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous. Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper. (16:120-123)

The practices  have been preserved in their basic form since the time of Abraham despite the efforts of corruption and distortion by idol worshipers and disbelievers. Each messenger who came after Abraham purified and followed these practices in accordance .

That is my understanding.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2014, 12:46:50 PM »
The ritual salats that are practised by Orthodox Jews, Orthodox Christians and Muslims are originated from Talmud.
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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2014, 02:58:17 PM »
Peace Yuliana.

I quoted Qoran not talmud.

As far as I know "salat" originated from Abraham, Qoran {21:73} {14: 35-40}.

" Rituals" are for those that do not know the true purpose of deen."Salat" It is a connection to the creator.
 A personal relationship with GOD requires honesty, obedience and sincerity.
 A rirual  is meaningless if it does not change the person for the better

If one is not happy with anything they should not do it.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2014, 03:43:42 PM »
I take salat absolutely as communication and seeking inspiration from God and it should be intelligible. Remember a part of The Book were salat is prescribed before an important testimony. Or were soldiers perform salat during a battle. It can be performed in any manner such as driving, riding, walking but best performed in a focused manner in calmness.

I sometimes perform salat while driving and I see results almost instantly. Opportunities arise. It is clear why we are recommended or explicitly told to perform the salat phenomenon.

I have abandoned the five prayer timings because I like many others felt no support from The Book on that matter. However, we should be conscious of God throughout the day and perform salat to help us with inspiration and choices. Salat is explicitly spoken out as prayers for guidance whenever you need some help.

Fixed prayer timing periods are however seemingly prescribed as morning and evening and then at night after that (before bedtime). I find little support for fixed prayers during daytime except for calls on your Lord for guidance in your daily life. The Book often repeats about glorification moments at the beginning and the end of the day. It does rarely even mention anything in the day except one that I suppose is misunderstood to meaning to establish regular prayer/salat whenever required throughout the day as in receiving inspiration and active guidance.

Birds have their salat too and that is how they are mindful of God through the way they are programmed for following God's system without any question such as flying in a certain formation or their species' special sound.  And spiders have a distinct pattern on their web. They have autonomous salat. Humans are a bit more free willed and require our input but once commenced is rewarded by God's active guidance and inspiration to make our life choices and directions.

We can say one if not the sole reason for salat is that we may have God's Will be done according to His System and Judgment. We seek to perform all our deeds by connecting to God's superior Judgement.

We do not connect to God in salat to parrot a certain sequence that we trigger some magical buff. And we ought to know what we say during salat meaning the words must be thought through and it should be done in normal voice. Salat in a traditional way I could do on a bottle of booze but perhaps not if I wanted an intelligible communication. It all adds up, does it not?

And with a bottle of booze God's link with superior Judgment is impaired.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #75 on: February 17, 2014, 03:40:24 AM »
peace good logic,

I respect your answer, but ultimately, for readers, it is unlikely to help them.


In fact, according to the Quran, Islam is called the religion of Abraham...

Can you provide the verse reference?
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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2014, 05:54:51 AM »
Peace Wakas.

Thank you for your post.

Here are the verses you requested:

[16:120-123], [14:25-30] [ 21:73]...

Muhammad: A Follower of Abraham*

16:123
Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham,* the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper.
ثُمَّ أَوحَينا إِلَيكَ أَنِ اتَّبِع مِلَّةَ إِبرٰهيمَ حَنيفًا وَما كانَ مِنَ المُشرِكينَ


[Quran 21:73] We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Salat and the obligatory charity (Zakat)....

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #77 on: February 17, 2014, 06:47:52 AM »
peace GL,

I did not see "Islam is called the religion of Abraham" in those verses. Can you simply quote the verse you are referring to AND highlight the word "islam" in it.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #78 on: February 17, 2014, 07:23:43 AM »
Peace Yuliana.

As far as I know "salat" originated from Abraham, Qoran {21:73} {14: 35-40}.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salaam good logic,

How did you conclude from {21:73} {14: 35-40} that salaat orginated from Ibrahim?

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #79 on: February 17, 2014, 10:14:08 AM »
Peace Bender.

Thank you for your question.
Check these verses out:

14:39
"Praise be to God for granting me, despite my old age, Ismail and Isaac. My Lord answers the prayers.
الحَمدُ لِلَّهِ الَّذى وَهَبَ لى عَلَى الكِبَرِ إِسمٰعيلَ وَإِسحٰقَ إِنَّ رَبّى لَسَميعُ الدُّعاءِ

14:40
"My Lord, make me one who consistently observes Salat, and also my children. Our Lord, please answer my prayers.
رَبِّ اجعَلنى مُقيمَ الصَّلوٰةِ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتى رَبَّنا وَتَقَبَّل دُعاءِ

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21:72
And we granted him Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them both righteous.
وَوَهَبنا لَهُ إِسحٰقَ وَيَعقوبَ نافِلَةً وَكُلًّا جَعَلنا صٰلِحينَ

21:73
We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Salat and the Zakat.* To us, they were devoted worshipers.

وَجَعَلنٰهُم أَئِمَّةً يَهدونَ بِأَمرِنا وَأَوحَينا إِلَيهِم فِعلَ الخَيرٰتِ وَإِقامَ الصَّلوٰةِ وَإيتاءَ الزَّكوٰةِ وَكانوا لَنا عٰبِدينَ


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