Author Topic: The Quranic Salat by brother hamza abdul malik a former sunni for 46 years!  (Read 4323 times)

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I note that in your reply here and in the other thread you never answered my questions. This suggests to me you are not here to discuss honestly and learn. I hope that this is not the case, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

Here is a note from brother uq (forum member here):
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?musallaa? is of the form ?mufa33al? which is the passive participle derived from Form II (fa33ala).

There are two meanings to ?sallaa?: 1. ?to pray, or, to perform salaah?, and 2. ?to give blessings.?

Now, neither of these two meanings can admit the form ?musallaa? as a passive participle because the first is intransitive and the second doesn?t take a direct object.

However, both these meanings do admit the form ?musallaa? as a ?noun of time or place?, which would give them the meanings of: 1. ?the time or place of salaah?, and 2. ?the time or place of giving/invoking blessings?.

In your translation, you seem to have rendered "musallan" as the singular of "musalleen" - evidence/reasoning?
Scroll down to part 7 here for the singular.

Even in your link to corpus, it separates the word forms. Perhaps you should consider why that is.


To understand my rendering of 2:125 you will have to read this article:
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html

2:125 And We made the shelter to be a place of reward/return/gathering for the people and a security. And take (to yourselves) from the stance/status of Abraham a time/place of blessing. And We entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael: "You shall purify My shelter for those who visit, and those devoting/residing, and the yielding/bowing, the acknowledging/submitting."

All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. My articles

www.studyQuran.org

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Surah 5:97 rendering of al bayt al haram
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2015, 04:42:31 AM »
Peace wakas

5:97, THE GOD has made the ankle (of animals) the sanction (in) the system an establishment for MANKIND...

Notice if you read the full context of passages from 5:94-97, this law being discussed about illegally killing animals is for mankind.


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Otherwise albayt alharam may also refer to sanctified (approved of) assembly which sounds slightly more sensible.

Al-bayt refers to inhabitants of somewhere and I call them an assembly based on the context of Quran.

How is ankle of animals sensible in any way?

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Al bayt al haram
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2015, 06:48:10 AM »
Peace manoffaith

Al haram: I only accept sanction for this word and I completely reject this notion of sacred/holy being ascribed to this word, I'm not sure you feel the same way?

Qudus would be holy/sacred from the Quran.

I don't accept house/home for bayt, I'm sending you a link.

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Salaam,

You are right. Only sanctified is true for haram. I do not think I wrote anything else.

The literal interpretation (letter by letter) for حرم (haram) is "Good Constitution Thereof" which correlates fairly well with sanctified. With easier words you can say it refers to "goodly/approved of".

Quds could be holy, but I think literally it refers to purity, i.e. ruh al-quds the pure spirit. Of course does holy imply something is totally pure. Spirit is by the way a slightly poor definition for 'ruh'. It is more like (abstract) force or something, an "attacher" or assembler.

The traditional "Holy Spirit" refers to what sustains life in the universe and makes it run like a self-sustaining platform. The Holy Spirit has caused the direction of evolution for example.

You are right that "bayat" does not refer to a building, but it does refer to a collective like an assembly.

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