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A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« on: December 25, 2013, 02:22:17 PM »
peace all,

It is a common occurrence to find forum members advocating 5 salat daily from Quran. Not just this forum.

However, from my 10+ years experience on this forum, it has been my experience that every single person that does this simply repeats the same erroneous arguments that have been discussed before in past threads. OR at the very least they misrepresent the information in Quran, i.e. so it looks like there may be 5, but they never highlight their assumptions or weaknesses, inconsistencies etc.
Interestingly, I do not recall ever reading one person who was open and honest about that. For example, with myself, with my own view being a minimum of 2 salat daily for the mumineen, I openly admit that my view may have some minor issues but what I know for certain is that it has much less problems/assumptions than 3 or 5 daily view for example. Unfortunately, this type of honesty is rare.

So, I would like to put a challenge to those people - quite simply, if you have studied Quran for at least several years and think Quran states 5 salat daily and are willing to defend such a position in debate, then list your name here.

Unfortunately, I am not really interested in debating an individual, thus I would much prefer a large group of 5-salat-daily advocates. The larger the better.
Thus, if you know anyone on any other forum/website or facebook group etc who staunchly believes in 5 salat daily, or they frequently make posts about it, please invite them to this thread.

If we get a decent number of people, we can have a debate. Perhaps, if God wills, it will be beneficial.


Important note: whilst my view is that Quran does not state 5 salat daily, that does not mean I consider it wrong for someone to uphold 5. It does not matter to me what a fellow brother/sister does when it comes to their personal relationship with God. My only issue arises when they make claims such as "Quran states 5" then proceed to misrepresent information and/or make erroneous arguments as per Quran.

My preference has always been to have accurate information first, THEN, allow readers to weigh and consider, and make up their own minds.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. My articles

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2013, 02:48:49 PM »
Obviously me. I was going to make "strong" start - but have held back.

1. I am Sunni - and hold that position to be correct and advocate that view.

2. I hold that 5 days prayers times are in fact mentioned in the Quran.

3. I also hold that the "Quran only" position of 2-3 prayers is incorrect.




Can we try to stick to the topic and try not getting personal. That would be welcome!

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2013, 03:19:44 PM »
yo quran only guy here! which one of youse guys posted in our forum??? lolz

it's in accord with the sun...wait i just thought of something do you live a solar dark spot with like no day time during these monthes? is this a riddle?

but the sunni sect guy is right it's more than 2 and 3. the mid day prayers and the setting. but to be proper i would like to ask which prayers are you making regularly? i don't wish to change your opinion just to info you on a few surahs. check the quran only facebook group later when post get hot. you'll find the conversation your looking for inshallah.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2013, 12:27:46 AM »
Peace Wakas.

In my early days of study, I held the view of 2/3  salat daily. However as I progressed through my studies, I have now changed to the view that it is 5 salat daily. Indeed my study of Qoran confirms that for me.

You also say you are not interested to debate individuals, my aim is not to debate anyone, full stop.

If you noticed throughout my time in this forum ,I rarely enter into " QUOTE FROM ANYONE", I SIMPLY STATE MY UNDERSTANDING.

I do not belong to any sect or gathering, hence I can only put my points as an individual. If your rule omits me ,then I will not take part.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2013, 01:30:13 AM »
I ask those who have looked deeply into this question in the Qur'an:

What is the possibility that the people, the person might have a choice, or that the number of salaats might be conditionned by circumstances. That is, that several of the possibilities might be correct: that 5 is correct, that three are correct, that for are correct, two, etc.?

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2013, 12:51:22 PM »
This is excellent and important thread.
I hope we shall finally have real tangible solid proof to know how many times a day the Salat is prescribed in the Qur'an as a physical ritual with physical movements and utterances.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2013, 01:22:26 AM »
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For example, with myself, with my own view being a minimum of 2 salat daily for the mumineen,




You people remain vigilant regards the plural number of As-sa'laat: Time Bound Formal Protocol of Servitude and allegiance; and be vigilant for the As-sa'laat which is relatively central to other four Formal Timings. [Ref 2:238]

Plural in Arabic is not for two; but three and above.

It is a time bound protocol. Number and the appointed timings for its performance during a day

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2013, 06:35:43 AM »
Peace brother Mazhar.

Plural in Arabic is not for two; but three and above.

Sure. But how do you come to the conclusion that the salawat has to take place within one day? Why not one week, one month, one year, a lifetime? I cannot see such a restriction in the quoted verse. In my view it is very logical to say, hold to the salawat, meaning hold to the salawat for your whole life.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2013, 06:51:33 AM »
Peace brother Mazhar.

Sure. But how do you come to the conclusion that the salawat has to take place within one day? Why not one week, one month, one year, a lifetime? I cannot see such a restriction in the quoted verse. In my view it is very logical to say, hold to the salawat, meaning hold to the salawat for your whole life.

Salamun alaika;

It is a time bound protocol. It is prescribed for five points in time of a day; kindly open the link and see the mention of timings for five in a day.

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Re: A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2013, 07:09:26 AM »
In this thread, people play competition in assumption games

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