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Worship Allah and not the Quran

Started by sword of tashayyu, September 19, 2013, 05:40:23 AM

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Nazzam

I guess quranist atheism would be possible, though its a biased term and violates objectivity.

The qur'an, while limiting itself as the sole source of authority in religion, is a book which wasn't meant to limit humans development, it was meant to inspire people to research nature with the help of a sound spiritual guide.

Using the suffix -ist means you adhere to a theological doctrine, while although a doctrine is processed in the text, the qur'an is more than that.

As for atheism, this is biased too. The premise is that there can be no God, while this is unscientific. A 'correct' (unbiased) scientific philosophical stance is agnosticism; most scientists who are irreligious will define themselves as such. Even Richard Dawkins, who prefers to use the term atheist just to avoid this kind of semantic discussions, said in his book 'The God Delusion' and in many interviews that strictly speaking, he is 'an agnostic who tends very much to atheism'.

Be what you want, but be it yourself.


Azz

@muslims: That definition only seems to have elements of '"organized religion" in mind though, "religion" means so many things

@Nazzam: Agreed

Nazzam

Like the concept of 'atheist Jew'. But a Jew is an ethnic term, not a religious one.

Quran is a religious book. U are walking on thin ice :)

If you follow the teachings of the quran, then you will follow its most important one:

God IS.

diamantinehoneybunch

Quote from: muslims on September 19, 2013, 06:41:18 AM
Salaam,

The true interpretation of Sura al-Ikhlas reveals that Allah is not "God", this is acceptable. (read book).

            Nor is there to Him any equivalent
            (112:4)

Further, it is safe for us to say we don't know what is Allah and focus on our duty in the Qur'an. This is so since the Qur'an is a book about human beings and living creatures. It is a book about us and our duty.

Peace.

I meant God with capital G, not 'god' [deity / illah]
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muslims

Quote from: Nazzam on September 19, 2013, 06:57:23 AM
Like the concept of 'atheist Jew'. But a Jew is an ethnic term, not a religious one.

Quran is a religious book. U are walking on thin ice :)

If you follow the teachings of the quran, then you will follow its most important one:

God IS.

Salam

The Qur'an is not a religious book, and Islam is not a religion.

Peace

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

muslims

Quote from: diamantinehoneybunch on September 19, 2013, 06:58:32 AM
I meant God with capital G, not 'god' [deity / illah]

Salam

As I said, sura al-Ikhlas and I don't know what is Allah. All I know is that I have a duty to be fulfilled according to the terms of the Qur'an.

          Nor is there to Him any equivalent
          (112:4)

Peace

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

muslims

Quote from: Azz on September 19, 2013, 06:53:19 AM
@muslims: That definition only seems to have elements of '"organized religion" in mind though, "religion" means so many things

@Nazzam: Agreed

Salam

Quote from: muslims on September 19, 2013, 06:49:26 AM
The definition...
...
           in which the belief in religion is rejected or absent


Peace.

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

sword of tashayyu

Firstly i did not mention that Arabic was the language of Allah All-Mighty

So you agree that it is created. Talking about our school, the school of Ahlul Bayt, your sect did not exist at ALL throughout history.. :rotfl:

Unless you imply that you are mutazillite. The Mutazili scholars also relied on ahadith from the Sunni (ie we call 'amma) sources.

Next question, do you believe that our Master Mustafa (sawa) is infallible?   

And on another note to give divinity to a created book is shirk and you worship the Quran
And Allah sufficed the believers in their fight through Ali bin Abi Talib...

sword of tashayyu

QuoteQA is not a sect because unlike sects such as Sunni / Shi'a / Ahmadiyya / Ismaili etc, in this pure creed of Abraham, anyone who believes in one God and oneness of God, don't set up partners with God, believe in the Last Day etc have already been muslims, they don't have to pronounce the testimony of faith to become a Muslim.

Sorry i am itching to respond to you, cant help it. How about those who oppressed the Family of the Prophet (sawa) and supported them?
And Allah sufficed the believers in their fight through Ali bin Abi Talib...

Nazzam

Quote from: muslims on September 19, 2013, 06:41:18 AM
Salaam,

The true interpretation of Sura al-Ikhlas reveals that Allah is not "God", this is acceptable. (read book).

            Nor is there to Him any equivalent
            (112:4)

Further, it is safe for us to say we don't know what is Allah and focus on our duty in the Qur'an. This is so since the Qur'an is a book about human beings and living creatures. It is a book about us and our duty.

Peace.

Dangerous grounds.

But the premise that the qur'an states that there is no God, is incorrect, it clearly states otherwise.

But..

It is correct that God can not be described, not even by the word God.

It is correct that any concept you may have about God, is deficient, and thus, wrong.

It is even correct that the non religious, even the atheist, is often nearer to God than many religious people, cause a non-religious person often has a 'clean slate' on this subject and is sceptic and critical, which are very big virtues most religious people dont possess, and even reject.

It is true the qur'an is a guide, but no book of law. You say the book is about us and your duty, no that is a simplification. Before everything, it is about introducing people to the existence of God.

Strictly spoken, we don't know anything, but what we can know, is that there is a God. The standpoint that there is no, is untenable.