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Started by sword of tashayyu, September 19, 2013, 05:40:23 AM

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sword of tashayyu


Asalamualaikum,

I realised people here are confused, what is your view of the Quran is it eternal word of Allah or is it Makhluq (created being)?

This question will help me towards understanding your sect.
And Allah sufficed the believers in their fight through Ali bin Abi Talib...

muslims

Quote from: sword of tashayyu on September 19, 2013, 05:40:23 AM
what is your view of the Quran is it eternal word of Allah or is it Makhluq (created being)?

Asalamualaikum,

Since when Arabic is the actual language of Allah?

Peace brother.  :peace:

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

diamantinehoneybunch

Quote from: sword of tashayyu on September 19, 2013, 05:40:23 AM
Asalamualaikum,

I realised people here are confused, what is your view of the Quran is it eternal word of Allah or is it Makhluq (created being)?

This question will help me towards understanding your sect

People here? That must be including YOU.

First of all, not all members here are Quran-alone muslims. There are also Salafis [Greater Sunnis], moderate Sunnis, atheists, Christians, Shi'ites [including you] etc that have accounts on this forum.

Quran-aloners don't worship Qur'an.
Typical Qur'an-alone muslims worship God alone, do not set up partners with Him. [well, Sunnis glorify Muhammad and put Muhammad beside God, Shi'ites do the same but they also glorify Ali]

Sect? Quranism is not a sect. All sects in Islam are concocted by men.
QA muslims simply take Quran as the only Divine guidance.

QA is not a sect because no one invents it.

True muslims [who don't take extra books beside The Book and call them Divine] do not believe in nonsense such as infallible imams, Second-coming of Jesus, Dajjal/Anti-Christ and grave-yard punishments.

QA is not a sect because unlike sects such as Sunni / Shi'a / Ahmadiyya / Ismaili etc, in this pure creed of Abraham, anyone who believes in one God and oneness of God, don't set up partners with God, believe in the Last Day etc have already been muslims, they don't have to pronounce the testimony of faith to become a Muslim.

This profile is dead. It was assasinated by its owner :D

I am no longer of an adherent or believer of any religion. So some of my views that have been expressed here may no longer represent or reflect my current views.

Nazzam

Quote from: sword of tashayyu on September 19, 2013, 05:40:23 AM
Asalamualaikum,

I realised people here are confused, what is your view of the Quran is it eternal word of Allah or is it Makhluq (created being)?

This question will help me towards understanding your sect.

It is clear that you are part of the confusion. Let me elaborate that shortly;

- You generalize (adressing a heteregenic group with terms as 'you people/your sect')
- You are biased (using 'your sect' as a premise)

As for the answer of your question; if you had any knowledge about the sola-scriptura methodology, you would know we come out of a long line of rationalists. The question about the qur'an, has been asked a lot in the past and our predecessors always answered that with that it is created.

Later on, you shia would adopt that position. But it wasn't yours to begin with.

Have a nice day

muslims

Salam,

If I have no other choice and need to choose at least one sect in order to free myself from all other sects, the least is to be identified as Muslim Atheism, since to be called as just a "Muslim" is very misleading and competitive.  :confused:

QuoteMuslim atheism is a theological position in which the belief in religion is rejected or absent but the teachings of the Quran are followed; My Definition

Peace.

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

Nazzam

You dont have to confine the definition of your stance on religion, to please others or set yourself apart from people who claim the same denominator.

Define yourself by what you think is correct, and let others find out if it is.

As for the word sect, that is not appropriate. Islam has nothing to do with sectarianism of any kind.


diamantinehoneybunch

Quote from: muslims on September 19, 2013, 06:30:53 AM
Salam,

If I have no other choice and need to choose at least one sect in order to free myself from all other sects, the least is to be identified as Muslim Atheism, since to be called as just a "Muslim" is very misleading and competitive.  :confused:

Peace.

Salaam,

I think you mean QURANIST atheist.

Atheist can't be a muslim because they don't believe in GOD.
This profile is dead. It was assasinated by its owner :D

I am no longer of an adherent or believer of any religion. So some of my views that have been expressed here may no longer represent or reflect my current views.

muslims

Quote from: diamantinehoneybunch on September 19, 2013, 06:34:27 AM
Salaam,

I think you mean QURANIST atheist.

Atheist can't be a muslim because they don't believe in GOD.

Salaam,

The true interpretation of Sura al-Ikhlas reveals that Allah is not "God", this is acceptable. (read book).

            Nor is there to Him any equivalent
            (112:4)

Further, it is safe for us to say we don't know what is Allah and focus on our duty in the Qur'an. This is so since the Qur'an is a book about human beings and living creatures. It is a book about us and our duty.

Peace.

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed

Azz

Did the meaning of the word "atheist" change or something? It bluntly means the denial of any sort of higher being or force. You can't follow the Quran and also call yourself an atheist of any sort, can you?

People will always try to divide you up and confine you to sects no matter what you say, it means less work needed for them to actually look into what they're discussing (an attitude way too common in discussions regarding faith these days...admittedly I'm not completely guilt-free of doing this as well, though I try to avoid doing so) since they've put you in a category to focus on. I don't think that will ever change.

muslims

Quote from: Azz on September 19, 2013, 06:43:25 AM
Did the meaning of the word "atheist" change or something? It bluntly means the denial of any sort of higher being or force. You can't follow the Quran and also call yourself an atheist of any sort, can you?

People will always try to divide you up and confine you to sects no matter what you say, it means less work needed for them to actually look into what they're discussing (an attitude way too common in discussions regarding faith these days...admittedly I'm not completely guilt-free of doing this as well, though I try to avoid doing so) since they've put you in a category to focus on. I don't think that will ever change.

Salam,

The definition...

           Muslim atheism
           is a theological position
           in which the belief in religion is rejected or absent
           but the
           teachings of the Qur'an are followed

facts comparison...

           Ibrahim was not a Jew <- Ibrahim has no religion. So as Muhammad. Nonsectarian.
           nor a Christian                 
           but he was (an) upright (man) <- showing great concern for what is right, fair and truthful way
           a Muslim <- defined by the above ayat - an upright man - obedience and justly balanced.
           and he was not one of the polytheists <- Concern with religious matters - 30:30-32
           (3:67)

Peace brother.

[url=http://muslimatheism.org]Muslim Atheism[/url] is a theological position for the disbelief in god, religion and the unspecific
but the practical philosophy from the Quran are followed