Salat According to the Quran and a Critical Remark

[hawk99]

قُلْ إِن كَانَ آبَاؤُكُمْ وَأَبْنَآؤُكُمْ وَإِخْوَانُكُمْ وَأَزْوَاجُكُمْ وَعَشِيرَتُكُمْ وَأَمْوَالٌ اقْتَرَفْتُمُوهَا وَتِجَارَةٌ تَخْشَوْنَ كَسَادَهَا وَمَسَاكِنُ تَرْضَوْنَهَا أَحَبَّ إِلَيْكُم مِّنَ اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ

9:124

Peace Mazhar,

9/24 not 9/124

[GODsubmitter]

I see hesitation in your "respect". I wish to emphasize the love for the Holy Messenger (sawa) and His Family is the root and foundation of this religion.

Perhaps you are less acquainted with historical events. The bloodshed in Karbala was the direct result of the so-called piety and righteousness in putting the Quran ahead of The Messenger and His Ahlul Bayt who were the friends of Allah. According to the Uthmanis (Proto-Sunnis) that everyone must abide by the Quran that the Ulil 'Amr must be obeyed as mentioned in the Quran therefore anyone opposing this  can be murdered.

That day, the blessed head of Imam Al-Husayn (as) was severed, the women of the Family of the Prophet (sawa) were humiliated, his children and cousins were all murdered except few that survived to tell the tale. Syeda Zainab (as) lamented O Prophet (sawa), see what your community has done to us, they brought us in shackles!


When the head of Imam Al-Husayn (as) was severed they chanted Allahu Akbar! Then more bloodshed came..

This is the thread about Salat.

Looking forward to more clarifications on that subject.

[Zulf]

The major difference between those who believe in ONLY the Quran and the shias and sunni  crowd is that they consider God to be their teacher. They study the Deen and form their own understanding from the Quran only perspective.

It's not just a major difference. Religion and the Deen (in arabic) of Allah (in arabic) are two fundamentally different things. They are not different versions or styles of faith. The are two totally different approaches to life, reason and Allah. They are two totally different ways of using your mind, leading to opposite directions. The more deep you get into elaborate religion, the further away from real life and the natural system of Allah you get. Religion encourages blind faith in historic and fantastic fairy tales, with no regard for logic, reason and sense.

[sword of tashayyu]

Was prophet Isa any less than Husayn?

Isa (as) was a great martyr, we have lots of respect for him. However he was only one single person crucified.

Imam Husayn (as) was not alone in Karbala, his whole family was mercilessly slaughtered! His head was severed, his ribs were crushed! The problem lied in the interpretation of ulil amr minkum. If you interpret it independently it means to obey any person in power.

I have emphasized this many times over, you have to study political history. You have rightly pointed it our that the Ummavis or Uthmanis were manipulating the Quran. Amongst those accused were Marwan bin Hakam (May Allah curse him), Ubaydullah ibn Ziyad (May Allah curse him), Hujjaj Al-Thaqafi (May Allah curse him) and Abdul Malik bin Marwan (May Allah curse him), allow me to quote to you:

Marwan ibn al-Hakam had these burnt since the copies of Qur'an ordered by Sayyidna 'Uthman (radhiAllaho anhu) were ready at that time, and a consensus of the ummah had already been reached to the effect that following these copies of the Qur'an, in script and arrangement of Surahs, was obligatory. Marwan ibn al-Hakam thought it inadvisable to let any copy which was contrary to this script and arrangement remain in existence (Fath al-Bari, 9/16)

Those were explanations given, if the problem was only arrangement I am sure the Quran will not be burnt. Burning a book is a crime what more burning a Quran.

[sword of tashayyu]

This is the thread about Salat.

Looking forward to more clarifications on that subject.

Sorry cant help it!

[god1quran1]

It's not just a major difference. Religion and the Deen (in arabic) of Allah (in arabic) are two fundamentally different things. They are not different versions or styles of faith. The are two totally different approaches to life, reason and Allah. They are two totally different ways of using your mind, leading to opposite directions. The more deep you get into elaborate religion, the further away from real life and the natural system of Allah you get. Religion encourages blind faith in historic and fantastic fairy tales, with no regard for logic, reason and sense.

You are quite right. They are polar opposites. One of the major reasons of this belief in fantastic fairy tales and giving servants of Allah superhuman status stems from a poor understanding of the role of Iblis and the art of deception.

As far as ritual prayer is concerned, everything aside I find it hard to believe Quran teaches us to perform certain physical actions while facing towards a cubical structure containing a black stone. It just does not appeal to reason. 

[god1quran1]

Imam Husayn (as) was not alone in Karbala, his whole family was mercilessly slaughtered! His head was severed, his ribs were crushed!

Even if this were to be true, what does this have to do with the main message of the Quran which is to remain on the straight path and not follow the misguided?

[sword of tashayyu]

the Quran which is to remain on the straight path and not follow the misguided?

this is the problem you Quranist face, what Allah has promised to protect is the secured tablet, often mentioned in the Quran not the current compilation we have today.

Compilation was not the only thing done, if it is possible you can look at some of the ancient Quranic manuscripts, the earliest script we have is the Kufic script (which did not belong to the Uthmanic era) which is already unreadable, because there is absolutely no markings in the Arabic alphabet.

The Ummayads have toiled to standardise, improve the Arabic script and also burn other rival copies. The names i have mentioned in my earlier post are not any normal rulers but where vicious and ruthless animals particularly Hajjaj bin Yusuf (May Allah curse him ceaselessly) bombarded and destroyed the Kabba.

He was largely responsible for the standardization of the Quran and there is general disagreement when Quran crystallised in its final form.

[hawk99]

this is the problem you Quranist face, what Allah has promised to protect is the secured tablet, often mentioned in the Quran not the current compilation we have today.

Compilation was not the only thing done, if it is possible you can look at some of the ancient Quranic manuscripts, the earliest script we have is the Kufic script (which did not belong to the Uthmanic era) which is already unreadable, because there is absolutely no markings in the Arabic alphabet.

The Ummayads have toiled to standardise, improve the Arabic script and also burn other rival copies. The names i have mentioned in my earlier post are not any normal rulers but where vicious and ruthless animals particularly Hajjaj bin Yusuf (May Allah curse him ceaselessly) bombarded and destroyed the Kabba.

He was largely responsible for the standardization of the Quran and there is general disagreement when Quran crystallised in its final form.

Sooooooooooooooo, what does this have to with salat?

God bless

   

[hicham9]

... what Allah has promised to protect is the secured tablet, ... not the current compilation we have today.

Hogwash!