Salat According to the Quran and a Critical Remark

[sword of tashayyu]

They didn't need to, because the Quran was revealed in their own tongue; and not in some foreign, alien language that needed a translator.

Being in Arabic alone is NOT sufficient, you must understand the context and purpose of a particular verse. Quran has apparent and hidden meanings, now if you dispute hidden meaning, Aleef Laam Meem, what is the meaning of that word?

Even at the apparent level, it is not possible for people during the time of the Prophet (sawa) to have completely understood its meaning and significance. I am shocked at the hight of ignorance, how can you deny the fact that people went to the Prophet (sawa) to seek clarification. People have different levels of understanding. Many were illiterate during that time and may not understand the Quranic verses.


As for the issue of the existence of conflicting tafseer, this is largely due to the political upheaval that the Muslims faced, infighting and bloodshed was at its height and thanks to the Ummayad tyrants, they murdered many people of knowledge and prevented people from approaching the Ahlul Bayt. All these contributed towards the apparent division amongst Muslims.


Even amongst Quranists there is a difference of interpretation, so humans are not robots and this is a fact well acknowledged by the Prophet (sawa) while keeping in mind that he wanted to maintain uniformity in certain key aspects of the religion.
   

[sword of tashayyu]

Whether Muhammad existed or not is irrelevant or whatever salat this ancient person did. We live in the 21st century and it is a new community and not Muhammad's. The prophet of Quran had his job and we have ours. He delivered the Quran and that was his service and he was probably rewarded for that.

Are you Muslim? If a person claiming to follow the Quran and has no love or connecting to the Holy Messenger (sawa) then he is not from his community.

You are cut off from his community. May Allah curse those who bear grudges against his best creation Muhammad Al-Mustafa (sawa)

[sword of tashayyu]

They did no such thing. All they did was make commentaries on it and place the dialectic marks over its silent letters.

All those who narrated ahadith were fabrication but they choose to ensure the integrity of the Quran, dude who are you fooling? 

[Man of Faith]

Salaam Sword,

I believe in God, eternal existence and I struggle hard to be a good person. He decides who is Muslim or not, you may be amazed who was a good Muslim on the Judgment Day.

It is your misconception about "loving" the prophets. I respect the man for the job he did and I confirm him as a Messenger and Prophet. I believe in Quran and thus I accept his Messengership. More than that I have Quran and God's real-time guidance to rely on. Muhammad is dead and cannot himself say what is a lie or not so we have to use our intelligence.

I would rather be called astray than follow your idolatrous deen. So go on and say whatever you like. I will hopefully never succumb to your attempts at luring me to idolatry.

God bless you

[Man of Faith]

Best creation? That sounds very idolatrous!

God bless you

[diamantinehoneybunch]

All those who narrated ahadith were fabrication but they choose to ensure the integrity of the Quran, dude who are you fooling? 

Integrity? By making the Qur'an look like a book  hate?

[sword of tashayyu]

It is your misconception about "loving" the prophets. I respect the man for the job he did and I confirm him as a Messenger and Prophet. I believe in Quran and thus I accept his Messengership. More than that I have Quran and God's real-time guidance to rely on. Muhammad is dead and cannot himself say what is a lie or not so we have to use our intelligence.

I see hesitation in your "respect". I wish to emphasize the love for the Holy Messenger (sawa) and His Family is the root and foundation of this religion.

Perhaps you are less acquainted with historical events. The bloodshed in Karbala was the direct result of the so-called piety and righteousness in putting the Quran ahead of The Messenger and His Ahlul Bayt who were the friends of Allah. According to the Uthmanis (Proto-Sunnis) that everyone must abide by the Quran that the Ulil 'Amr must be obeyed as mentioned in the Quran therefore anyone opposing this  can be murdered.

That day, the blessed head of Imam Al-Husayn (as) was severed, the women of the Family of the Prophet (sawa) were humiliated, his children and cousins were all murdered except few that survived to tell the tale. Syeda Zainab (as) lamented O Prophet (sawa), see what your community has done to us, they brought us in shackles!


When the head of Imam Al-Husayn (as) was severed they chanted Allahu Akbar! Then more bloodshed came..

[Man of Faith]

Salaam,

Wrong. The love of God is the foundation of this religion.

Also more wrong, the Sunni and Shia were fighting was over power and dominion, as man has done for all ages and not over following the Quran alone or not. If they followed the Quran as it is taught there would never have been so crude treatment of Hussein and his family. The Quran teaches how to be a righteous person and that very well too.

I have studied this problem a bit and I suspect that the first followers of the prophet were righteous men although I am not sure about it after the massacre at Karbala.

Ali and company's adversaries tried to pervert the religion in various ways, but how we do not know except rumors. I have heard that they tried to change the Quran and that the original transcript was burned.

The enemies of God got in motion as soon as Muhammad died and forgot everything that the revelation had taught about behavior and good deeds. All transformed into a fight for power instead of being humble.

As much as I know Ali accepted (unwillingly or willingly I do not know) that he did not become the first caliph. If historical documents are right and not seriously biased I do not know though.

The Sunni side with these guys had nothing to do with religion. They were just after power and were enemies of God. Ruling the early "ummah" probably meant much wealth and fame.

You need to remember that the majority of people are not believers. This means most people, even Uthman, Omar or other people back then were likely victims to greed and arrogance. I am not ruling out descendants of the prophet too. Bloodline has nothing to do with being righteous or not. When Ibrahim asked if God's covenant would cover his offspring God replied that His covenant does not cover the unrighteous. It is easy to conclude that it means bloodline has nothing to do with righteousness although the knowledge that may be transferred from father to son may give him an advantage, but it then depends on this individual.

All of Jacob's sons were not righteous, despite being his offspring.

In conclusion; the following conflict after Muhammad's demise was only due to the shortcomings of man, greed and selfishness. You had what you needed from the Quran that just had been finished. But very few people followed the Message from God and it remains the same today. Very few follow the Message without extra-religious teachings or assigning partners with God, as you do according to your last post were you said the foundation of Islam is to love the prophet and family.

God bless you

[god1quran1]

I see hesitation in your "respect". I wish to emphasize the love for the Holy Messenger (sawa) and His Family is the root and foundation of this religion.

Perhaps you are less acquainted with historical events. The bloodshed in Karbala was the direct result of the so-called piety and righteousness in putting the Quran ahead of The Messenger and His Ahlul Bayt who were the friends of Allah. According to the Uthmanis (Proto-Sunnis) that everyone must abide by the Quran that the Ulil 'Amr must be obeyed as mentioned in the Quran therefore anyone opposing this  can be murdered.

That day, the blessed head of Imam Al-Husayn (as) was severed, the women of the Family of the Prophet (sawa) were humiliated, his children and cousins were all murdered except few that survived to tell the tale. Syeda Zainab (as) lamented O Prophet (sawa), see what your community has done to us, they brought us in shackles!


When the head of Imam Al-Husayn (as) was severed they chanted Allahu Akbar! Then more bloodshed came..

You believe in all of this because this is what you have been taught by the professional shia priests since childhood. They are no different from the professional sunni priests. You need to objectively study the religion you have inherited from your parents instead of following it blindly.

The major difference between those who believe in ONLY the Quran and the shias and sunni  crowd is that they consider God to be their teacher. They study the Deen and form their own understanding from the Quran only perspective.


Your belief system is hypocritical and makes no sense. You lament the death of Husayn and shed blood every year during Muharram to remember that event. However, the same humiliation was suffered by Isa when he was allegedly put on the cross by the jews/romans. I have never seen him mentioned in the emotionally charged sermons the shia priests give during the month of Muharram. Was prophet Isa any less than Husayn?

[Mazhar]

Man of faith

Wrong. The love of God is the foundation of this religion.

قُلْ إِن كَانَ آبَاؤُكُمْ وَأَبْنَآؤُكُمْ وَإِخْوَانُكُمْ وَأَزْوَاجُكُمْ وَعَشِيرَتُكُمْ وَأَمْوَالٌ اقْتَرَفْتُمُوهَا وَتِجَارَةٌ تَخْشَوْنَ كَسَادَهَا وَمَسَاكِنُ تَرْضَوْنَهَا أَحَبَّ إِلَيْكُم مِّنَ اللّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ

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