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Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers

Started by Mazhar, August 13, 2013, 05:58:37 PM

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Man of Faith

Salaam hawk99,

I think brother Mazhar implies that many Quran alone Muslims have started to believe there is no frequent salat as in traditional sense and that these people are not true Believers.

God bless you
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Mazhar

Hawk, Salam


قَدْ أَفْلَحَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ
Indeed the following of those who identify their selves as Believers have attained perpetual success and fruitfulness: [23:01]

الَّذِينَ هُمْ فِي صَلَاتِهِمْ خَاشِعُونَ
Those who demonstrate solemnity and humble-mindedness in the performance of their As-Salaat: time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance; [23:02]

Believer: Whoever pronounces making it public that he believes in Allah the Exalted, Qur'aan, Injeel before it and all the Books of Allah revealed in time line; all the Messengers of Him, the Angels and the Last Day.

They all are not declared successful. The characteristics of those claimants of belief who succeeded are given by Relative Pronoun الَّذِينَ.

The first element of success is performance of Salat. The successful are the true believers. Others are believers by tongue and lips. Kaafir is one who denies to have faith in aforementioned realities.

See who are truly the believers:

إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الَّذِينَ إِذَا ذُكِرَ اللّهُ وَجِلَتْ قُلُوبُهُمْ وَإِذَا تُلِيَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتُهُ زَادَتْهُمْ إِيمَانًا وَعَلَى رَبِّهِمْ يَتَوَكَّلُونَ

الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلاَةَ وَمِمَّا رَزَقْنَاهُمْ يُنفِقُونَ

أُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ حَقًّا

Take note; Truly the Believers are only those whose hearts blenched when Allah the Exalted is mentioned;
And when Aa'ya'at: the Verbal Passages of the Book of Him: Grand Qur'aan are recited to them word by word: Each Ayah: Unitary Verbal Passage gave them enhancement; the enhancement and conviction of belief.
And they have trust and hope in their Sustainer Lord. [8:02]
And they steadfastly maintain the Institution of As-sa'laat: Time Bound Formal Protocol of demonstrating Servitude and allegiance to Allah the Exalted.

Further, they heartily spend part of the worldly resources for other's welfare which We have given to them as sustenance. [8:03]

The aforementioned are the proven and established believers amongst claimants of belief.

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Wakas

peace Mazhar,

Quote from: Wakas on August 24, 2013, 08:20:01 AM
peace Mazhar,

These comments are with regard to this salat article of yours.

1)
You discuss 2:238 and assume there are two salat each side of al salat al wusta - why two? why not 3 each side etc

2)
In 2:238 why mention one of the five salat separately according to you, when it is already covered by the plural salawat?

3)
According to you, which salat can be done on the move (2:239) "al salat al wusta" or the other "salawat"? And what is your evidence for this.

4)
what is your evidence for "zulaf" meaning "early"?

5)
You repeatedly cite "salat al fajr" and "salat al 3sha" as reference points but you have no reference for the other alleged 3 salat hence refer to them as "this al salat" or "al salat for the point in time of...".etc etc - why does Quran not clarify the reference terms for the alleged other 3 in your view? If it does give the terms, please provide them.

6)
When discussing "salat al fajr" with me you said this is not a name of a "salat" but in your article you state "The other two prescribed al salat are also NAMED by the point in time" (then you reference 24:58)

7)
You seemingly contradict yourself when you say "The remaining two timings for al salat are at two visual transition EDGES of the day which are in the LATER day..." - ask anyone about what the two edges of daytime are and they will never discuss them being later in the day.

8 )
You seemingly have no break in-between some salat.

9)
Some of your 5 salat have specific times AND time-ranges whilst others do not - why?

Please continue from where you left, i.e. after Q7.

And if I may add another question: how many years have you been reading and studying Quran? A rough figure will do.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

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Mazhar

Quote8 )
You seemingly have no break in-between some salat.

9)
Some of your 5 salat have specific times AND time-ranges whilst others do not - why?

Please visit your thread Assalat alwusta and see the image and schedule of five Salat.
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Mazhar

QuoteAnd if I may add another question: how many years have you been reading and studying Quran? A rough figure will do.

Brother, irrelevant question. My study is uploaded on site. Please point out omissions for correction. Studying a book of foreign language is merely a skill of translating it; its comprehension is obtaining knowledge from it. I am a skilled laborer possessing complete kit of tools. Time is my contribution.
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hawk99

Peace Mazhar,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question, if I understand you correctly,
people who have not reached the level of salat regardless of station which includes new
converts, are kafirs yes/no?

God bless

   :peace:
The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

Mazhar

Quote from: hawk99 on September 01, 2013, 06:23:31 AM
Peace Mazhar,

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question, if I understand you correctly,
people who have not reached the level of salat regardless of station which includes new
converts, are kafirs yes/no?

God bless

   :peace:

I invited you to accept my word. You denied. You are kafir for me with regard to that word only. Kaffir means who denies to accept a thought-belief. Salat has no relevance for Kafir.

You claim you are a believer. You did not perform Salat despite living after your proclamation of belief. You were not a true believer; you merely uttered words of belief.

[You for explanation purposes only]
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Jafar

This debate is easy to resolve:

"IF THE ABODE OF THE HEREAFTER WAS EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOU AND NOT FOR OTHER PEOPLE, THEN YOU SHOULD WISH FOR DEATH IF YOU ARE TRUTHFUL!"
(2:94)

Salam / Peace

ansmeh1998

Quote from: Jafar on September 01, 2013, 06:49:54 AM
This debate is easy to resolve:

"IF THE ABODE OF THE HEREAFTER WAS EXCLUSIVELY FOR YOU AND NOT FOR OTHER PEOPLE, THEN YOU SHOULD WISH FOR DEATH IF YOU ARE TRUTHFUL!"
(2:94)

Salam / Peace

Mind piercing brother Zafar. Thanks for pointing it out. May Allah keep on increasing our knowledge.

Salaam!
To me, Mind is the trust that was accepted by the Human, the promised Khalifatullah, which was refused by all. Keeping Mind in strict harmony with the Brain is actually Islam.

Man of Faith

Salaam,

Faith is about behavior and your righteous deeds to most part. Salat exceeding being conscious of God is bonuses beneficial to your spirituality but not the main criteria for being redeemed.

1. Faith in God
2. Hereafter belief
3. Being a righteous person

These are the main criteria. Salat is in a way related here but that means having a connection to God and making decisions in life having God on your mind, ie remaining aware of Him at all times. Meditation and these other prayer practices are to nurture your soul. Certainly it is a great bonus and without it you probably cannot change enough during your lifetime.

If you base your decisions in life on God's words and live your life as God taught you then you will be a Believer. The stereotypical prayers of tradition will not help very much, although praising and glorifying God in ways can, like I said, be a bonus. The prayer is a connection to your God which you work on just like any relation in your primitive earthly life. Because God is unseen it may feel strange but nonetheless real. God hears and if you speak your mind He will listen. Make Him your friend with a combination of good daily works and friendly speeches. Put your trust in Him as much as typical Christians put their faith in Jesus. Treat Him as He was your living friend near you despite Him being far more superior than you.

And treat your neighbor as you would treat your own children and family.

God is surely sitting in that sofa at your side in the evenings despite you not seeing Him. See things as He is with you when problems arise. He could be like a good parent/teacher testing you in various ways as you grow older.

God bless you
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