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Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers

Started by Mazhar, August 13, 2013, 05:58:37 PM

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god1quran1

Quote from: Mazhar on September 16, 2013, 06:26:39 AM
What this ponderence has revealed to you the meanings of SALAT and ZAKAT?

That you choose to ask a question about his views on Salaat and Zakat rather than provide a rebuttal leads me to believe that there are gaps in your knowledge that require further research on your part. You did the same when I asked you about Shuaib's Salat instead of providing a clear argument of how Shuaib's 5 prayers a day can irritate the elite of Madyan people.

As a consequence,  the inflammatory title of this thread becomes moot and should not to be taken too seriously. :)
Azfar

god1quran1

Quote from: Scribbler on September 16, 2013, 07:37:36 AM
Brother Mazhar,

Please correct me if my understanding is wrong in my previous post regarding 9:5 and 9:11.

Come on man up and take some personal responsibility!
Azfar

Mazhar

Quote from: god1quran1 on September 16, 2013, 03:18:39 PM
That you choose to ask a question about his views on Salaat and Zakat rather than provide a rebuttal leads me to believe that there are gaps in your knowledge that require further research on your part. You did the same when I asked you about Shuaib's Salat instead of providing a clear argument of how Shuaib's 5 prayers a day can irritate the elite of Madyan people.

As a consequence,  the inflammatory title of this thread becomes moot and should not to be taken too seriously. :)

Making a statement in vacuum is just nonsense and idiotic behavior, to say the least. When somebody proclaims that ponderence on a word will lead you to know the meanings, he must be in a position to let you know what has he derived.

You don't read when things are answered. Shaib's alahissalam prayer is not irritating them, they are irritated about what they were asked regarding what they were required to do.
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Mazhar

Examples: from adhan we get muezzin, from salam, we get Muslim etc.

hence in  equivalent english examples would be

QuoteThe performer performs
The eater eats
The announcer announces
The submitter submits
The believer believes

Each performer performs an action according to meaning of the verb and active participle defines role of the actor

Peace

Again read your own post and reflect what is lacking.

The performer performs-----------what
The eater eats--------------------- what
The announcer announces-------what

Mussali does this:

وَهُوَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي فِي الْمِحْرَابِ

And what he is doing is called As-Salat for which you need to stand at one place as was he standing within a premises.
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Mazhar

QuoteAs a consequence,  the inflammatory title of this thread becomes moot and should not to be taken too seriously.

Enjoy the result:

Have you seen him who forbids allegiant person when he performed Sa'laat: Time bound Protocol of Allegiance? [96:10-11]

You may not have noticed him but does he the forbidder know not that Allah the Exalted is certainly watching him? [96:14]

Nay, it is certain that if he did not self desist forbidding the performance of Sa'laat: Time bound Protocol of Allegiance: We will certainly drag him by the forelock; [96:15]

His forelock: characteristically in habit of lying and deliberately sinful. [96:16]

Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat; and just peep in the Hell-Prison to listen its dwellers


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god1quran1

Quote from: Mazhar on September 16, 2013, 03:51:15 PM
Examples: from adhan we get muezzin, from salam, we get Muslim etc.

hence in  equivalent english examples would be

Peace

Again read your own post and reflect what is lacking.

The performer performs-----------what
The eater eats--------------------- what
The announcer announces-------what

What is lacking? Are you saying the eater eats salaat?

Quote
Mussali does this:

وَهُوَ قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي فِي الْمِحْرَابِ

And what he is doing is called As-Salat for which you need to stand at one place as was he standing within a premises.






And can I ask why you do not translate yusalli as as-salaat in 33:43? Why translate 'salaat' in 3:39 and 'blessing' in 33:43?

I think  you need to try a little harder. :)




Azfar

Mazhar

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You merely ignore the basics of language.

Arabic words take birth from Roots. Each Root has specific, defined, distinct, conspicuous, apparent perception folded in it. Words, originating from these Roots on various well defined patterns-moulds-structuring frames, retain the original perception infolded in the Root, dominantly and conspicuously, with additional meanings and connotation, shades and colours added by the peculiar pattern-placing of vowels-syllabification, and addition of consonants. Moreover, relational aspect of the semantic field will also influence and add connotations to the word. Hence; the meanings, perception and connotation of an Arabic Word is the composite whole of the perception infolded in its Root, coupled with meanings associated with its pattern, and its relation to the semantic field where it is used. It signifies that the basic meanings of a Root and word do not exhaust when they are used in a different semantic field, relational area, while necessarily retaining the base meanings.

Now again look at the basic perception of the Root:

Basic perception infolded in the Root is to praise and magnify; expressing commendation or wishing blessings upon the one who is revered or appreciated.

And now again look on both the Ayahs and the surrounding words to notice the difference.
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god1quran1

Quote from: Mazhar on September 17, 2013, 05:59:59 AM
You merely ignore the basics of language.

Arabic words take birth from Roots. Each Root has specific, defined, distinct, conspicuous, apparent perception folded in it. Words, originating from these Roots on various well defined patterns-moulds-structuring frames, retain the original perception infolded in the Root, dominantly and conspicuously, with additional meanings and connotation, shades and colours added by the peculiar pattern-placing of vowels-syllabification, and addition of consonants. Moreover, relational aspect of the semantic field will also influence and add connotations to the word. Hence; the meanings, perception and connotation of an Arabic Word is the composite whole of the perception infolded in its Root, coupled with meanings associated with its pattern, and its relation to the semantic field where it is used. It signifies that the basic meanings of a Root and word do not exhaust when they are used in a different semantic field, relational area, while necessarily retaining the base meanings.


Now again look at the basic perception of the Root:

Basic perception infolded in the Root is to praise and magnify; expressing commendation or wishing blessings upon the one who is revered or appreciated.

And now again look on both the Ayahs and the surrounding words to notice the difference.

You are right!

The way you explained it, everything is so clear to me now. Now I can go and assign any meaning to the verb form I want at different places even though the derivative of the root is identically used in both places.  8)


Conclusion

yusalli = prayer in 3:39
yusalli = honour in 33:43



No need to use any rules or logic. Just a free license to interpret the meaning as you see fit based on the "surrounding words"  :bravo:

ALongwith the use of the non-existent verb 'perform' alongside Salaat to force it to be understood as a ritual, the above explanation is another one of your classics!
Azfar

god1quran1

Quote from: Mazhar on September 16, 2013, 03:58:07 PM
Enjoy the result:

Have you seen him who forbids allegiant person when he performed Sa'laat: Time bound Protocol of Allegiance? [96:10-11]

You may not have noticed him but does he the forbidder know not that Allah the Exalted is certainly watching him? [96:14]

Nay, it is certain that if he did not self desist forbidding the performance of Sa'laat: Time bound Protocol of Allegiance: We will certainly drag him by the forelock; [96:15]

His forelock: characteristically in habit of lying and deliberately sinful. [96:16]

Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat; and just peep in the Hell-Prison to listen its dwellers

Well if you think, by facing a cubical structure 5 times a day containing a black stone having pagan origins and situated inside a vulgar opening , you are 'performing' salaat be my guest.  :)

Azfar

Nazzam

The title of the topic, is not true.

19:59-60

But there came after them successors who neglected prayer and pursued desires; so they are going to meet evil - except those who repent, believe and do righteousness; for those will enter Paradise and will not be wronged at all.

There is no necessary disbelief or hell due to neglecting prayer.