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Non performers of As-Salaat are not true believers

Started by Mazhar, August 13, 2013, 05:58:37 PM

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Mazhar

Quote from: ansmeh1998 on August 15, 2013, 02:46:54 PM
Salaam,

        As far as I understand, those who insist for practicing a ritual in the name of salaat are virtually undermining the glorious term and their adherence to salat is nothing more than whistling and clapping as has been indicated in the verse 8:35.

Please read the article; it is not ritual. And also read 8:35 as to who they were. And then read in the end the verdict of Allah the Exalted that only the Munafiqeen: Imposter believers are reluctant to perform it. A non performer under whatever pretext and excuse is declared not to be a true believer. Choice is one's own. Also try to peep into the Hell-Prison so that we can avoid to be their companions.
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Zulf

Quote from: IAMOP on August 14, 2013, 08:44:22 AM
If your salat does not give real results, and real changes in your emotions in every salat, it is not salat.
...
And those who practice the real salat will know because it strengthens them from the inside, it brings cool water to the hot and dry parts of their heads - both figuratively and literally.

:bravo:

Salat, for sure, is not synonymous to Namaz.
If you name me, you negate me.

ansmeh1998

Quote from: Mazhar on August 15, 2013, 04:01:24 PM
Please read the article; it is not ritual. And also read 8:35 as to who they were. And then read in the end the verdict of Allah the Exalted that only the Munafiqeen: Imposter believers are reluctant to perform it. A non performer under whatever pretext and excuse is declared not to be a true believer. Choice is one's own. Also try to peep into the Hell-Prison so that we can avoid to be their companions.

May I request your good self to express the meaning of the term 'salat' as per your understanding in the light of Quran?

Salaam!
To me, Mind is the trust that was accepted by the Human, the promised Khalifatullah, which was refused by all. Keeping Mind in strict harmony with the Brain is actually Islam.

Mazhar

QuoteMay I request your good self to express the meaning of the term 'salat' as per your understanding in the light of Quran?

Salaam!

Salamun alaika

Quote from: Mazhar on August 13, 2013, 05:58:37 PM
Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat; and just peep in the Hell-Prison to listen its dwellers.



: The time bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance is the fundamental protocol for non-verbal demonstration of the truthfulness of one's claim of having accepted and become a believer. This is manifestation of belief and key to success and fruitfulness:

Be always mindful for performing As-Salaat

The prohibition not to perform As-sa'laat is when a man is not in the state of self-awareness lacking conscious understanding of his verbal expressions-language. It is thus abundantly evident that  is NOT a ritual. According to dictionary ritual is defined as an established and prescribed pattern of observance, performance of formal acts: the observance of actions or procedures in a set, ordered, and ceremonial way; system of rites: the system of set procedures and actions of a group. But a perception of monotony and routine has also become associated to it when this is referred for a religious activity. Ritual is usually the concern and domain of Non-Declarative Memory which can be performed without being consciously aware of happenings.

Preparatory protocols for performance

The presence of all sorts of moral ills in Muslim societies is reflective that either the majority does not perform the Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance; or we perform by giving it a status of "ritual" that is performed thoughtlessly and habitually. Allah the Exalted is on the lips of every Muslim; but His Parlance-Discourse conveyed verbatim by exalted Messenger Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam are obscured by artfully fabricated conjectural widespread stories.

It is Gesture-speech, highest communicative dynamism: Sublime submission of servitude and allegiance
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ansmeh1998

Salaam,
       
        What is your conclusion about the term 'As-Salaat'. Is it a ritual of standing, bowing and prostration in the cyclic manner as is the practice world over or it is a term attributed to the system of Governance taught by Allah(swt) in Quran. Kindly sum up facts to be understood by a lay man instead of playing with the English words. I hope you understand what I mean??

To me, Mind is the trust that was accepted by the Human, the promised Khalifatullah, which was refused by all. Keeping Mind in strict harmony with the Brain is actually Islam.

Wakas

peace,

Quote from: IAMOP on August 14, 2013, 10:20:59 AM
[Shakir 20:132] And enjoin prayer on your followers, and steadily adhere to it; We do not ask you for subsistence; We do give you subsistence, and the (good) end is for guarding (against evil).


So now you can see quite clearly:

salat is NOT a subsistence towards the God
salat *is* a subsistence towards the believer, it FEEDS the believer

Interesting observation. However, rather than saying it is clear, there is certainly an implication.
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Mazhar

Quote from: ansmeh1998 on August 16, 2013, 03:53:43 PM
Salaam,
       
        What is your conclusion about the term 'As-Salaat'. Is it a ritual of standing, bowing and prostration in the cyclic manner as is the practice world over or it is a term attributed to the system of Governance taught by Allah(swt) in Quran. Kindly sum up facts to be understood by a lay man instead of playing with the English words. I hope you understand what I mean??

Salam,

Take a little botheration of reading the Ayahs of Qur'aan on the subject to get the point. And just see the difference between English word "ritual" and "protocol". As-Salaat is not the system of governance; it is merely demonstration of one's thought of servitude and allegiance and his claim of belief of considering Allah the Exalted as  his Sustainer Lord.
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ansmeh1998

Salaam brother Mazhar,
Quote from: Mazhar on August 16, 2013, 05:00:33 PM

it is merely demonstration of one's thought of servitude and allegiance and his claim of belief of considering Allah the Exalted as  his Sustainer Lord.

As suggested by your good self, I have studied verses related with Salat several times. I am yet to get the clear understanding of it. But I do not find the understanding of Salaat you are pushing through as apt as is intended in Al-Quran. Incidentally, you are presenting the same ritual form of salat in a new spectre by using the English words suited your design.
To me, Mind is the trust that was accepted by the Human, the promised Khalifatullah, which was refused by all. Keeping Mind in strict harmony with the Brain is actually Islam.

Mazhar

Quote from: ansmeh1998 on August 17, 2013, 01:42:21 AM
Salaam brother Mazhar,
As suggested by your good self, I have studied verses related with Salat several times. I am yet to get the clear understanding of it. But I do not find the understanding of Salaat you are pushing through as apt as is intended in Al-Quran. Incidentally, you are presenting the same ritual form of salat in a new spectre by using the English words suited your design.

If you have studied several times; please write under them what you got from those--only about words and sentences of Ayah. Those are mentioned in the Article on every aspect of As-Salat. Everything comprising physical gestures does not necessarily mean ritual. The word ritual seems  got stuck up in thoughts.
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Man of Faith

Fare thee well brothers and sisters,

Salat means as the word implies, a connection/communication/conversation by contacting the Lord as a focused session. This is at least what I have understood from reading Quran and my interpretation and independent tinkering.

The seemingly extra-religious practices such as repeating the first chapter of Quran several times may however not belong to this 'salat' and be inventions belonging to fairytale authors. If we think about it from a logical viewpoint (God is certainly a being of logic) it seems illogical to believe God would appreciate parroting of the same words several times in a row.

The prostration is a gesture belonging to how people paid homage to respected individuals 1000 years ago and beyond. It may not be a necessity when we perform salat, but is certainly a valid act should people wish to express themselves this way. It did not necessarily originate in religion, but was practiced in all sorts of ways.

I have thought about the so-called 'rakah system' and it is just as weird as the hadith which talk about how many stones Muhammad use to wipe himself after answering the call of nature. I think frankly that it is a human invention just like the hadith about the sanitary procedures.

That does not say salat cannot be something we use uniformly as to make it easily practiced but making it different number of prostrations per salah is causing it to make God's religion complicated. People who have chosen to simply prostrate in sets of two twice may have made it sufficiently convenient and makes it more focused on God than like a meaningless ritual.

Personally I do not live as I teach as I have up until now still practiced the traditional rakah system out of fear lest I do wrong, but I begin to realize I may do the same level of error by doing it the way I do now.

Ironically I have convinced myself all the things I talk about yet I cling on to my old ways as if I do not believe in what I utter. Yet I do but stubbornly retain my current practices. I need to let go of my old perception of God's religion and trust I know better. There are no prescribed three stones to wipe myself when I go to bathroom and the same there are no specific three rakah at a prayer traditionally called maghrib.

Even hadith indicate that asr and maghrib were prayers which Muhammad himself voluntarily observed and later became "Sunnah".

Although brother Wakas disagree I am certain that there is at least one prayer during daylight. I believe 2:238 to talk about that. It is not overly important as a righteous Believer will observe regular prayers more than God prescribed as minimum anyways. I suspect that, for example, Muhammad did asr and maghrib prayers as his own preference of regular prayers.

God bless you
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