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Rashad Khalifa

Started by Harun, April 13, 2013, 05:37:30 AM

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Do you believe that Rashad Khalifa was a messenger of the Lord?

Yes.
No.
Not Sure.

kgwithnob

Quote from: hicham9 on July 15, 2013, 10:36:25 PM
...Thus, I'm afraid there will be no "Human" Messenger [of God] after him.
and ALLAH Almighty knows best...

7:35,
يَـٰبَنِىٓ ءَادَمَ إِمَّا يَأۡتِيَنَّكُمۡ رُسُلٌ۬ مِّنكُمۡ يَقُصُّونَ عَلَيۡكُمۡ ءَايَـٰتِى‌ۙ فَمَنِ ٱتَّقَىٰ وَأَصۡلَحَ فَلَا خَوۡفٌ عَلَيۡہِمۡ وَلَا هُمۡ يَحۡزَنُونَ
O ye children of Adam! whenever there come to you Messengers from amongst, you rehearsing my signs unto you― those who are righteous and mend (their lives)― on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.

The verse simply informs us, i.e. US, THE CHILDREN OF ADAM, that at any time GOD may send messengers from among us to narrate His verses/revelations to us.

So, as long as humans are living on this Earth this will be true.

Peace,
Khalil

hicham9

Quote from: hawk99 on July 15, 2013, 11:17:15 PM
Peace hicham9,

Peace my dear brother ^_^

Quote from: hawk99 on July 15, 2013, 11:17:15 PM
It is easy to see that he was the last of the prophets.  But it does not state that he
was the last messenger.

The verse does not say:

Sahih International: Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the
last Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things,
Knowing.

                                                    Example

Abdul is a great hunter and the last axe thrower.
Meaning he is not the last hunter but he is the last axe thrower.

I fully agree my brother!

Muhammad was not the "last Messenger of God"
Muhammad was the last "Human" Messenger of God, a.k.a the "last Prophet"


In Surah 17, ALLAH (SWT) mentions two types of His Messengers:
Angel Messenger (ملكا رسولا), and Human Messenger (بشرا رسولا). See {Qur'an, 17:90-100}

Thus, "Messenger of God" is not confined to human beings alone, rather it denotes a "Universal Position" related to "Sentient Creation" in general. For instance, "Prophet" is a restricted term denoting a "Messenger of God" from among us (Mankind). Hence, Prophets are always "men". While, Messengers (of God) are not always "human".

And ALLAH knows best.

Quote from: hawk99 on July 15, 2013, 11:17:15 PM
Blessed ramadan to all!

Happy Ramadan to you too ^_^
SLM
I was not delivered in this world into defeat, nor does failure course my veins.
I'm not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion, and I refuse to talk, walk or sleep with the sheep.

hawk99

Quote from: hicham9 on July 16, 2013, 12:12:19 AM
Muhammad was not the "last Messenger of God"
Muhammad was the last "Human" Messenger of God, a.k.a the "last Prophet"

References please


Peace hicham9,

Also the Quran refers to itself as the messenger:

11:1] A.L.R. This is a scripture whose verses have been perfected, then elucidated.
It comes from a Most Wise, Most Cognizant.

[11:2] Proclaiming: "You shall not worship except GOD. I come to you from Him as a
warner, as well as a bearer of good news.

There will be messengers sent to all communities, someone among them to explain the
deen.  There will a messenger sent to native Americans, eskimos, folks in the forest, and
in the jungles, rather they accept their messenger or not is up to God, as in the past.

Have a blessed ramadan!

   :peace: 
The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

macromode

For those who haven't seen this video please watch this from beginning to end without skipping. Lots of crucial questions are asked and RK answers by himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWVsaSy9HXg&list=PLDBE012C44E64635F

newform

Quote from: es on July 13, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
I can't believe you are playing down the violation of an individual by saying "how serious of a mistake can that be?"

Evidently, you don't have breasts, although you have tried your best to imagine such a scenario. Now, would you respond in the  same way if when you were a 16 year old and an older male in a supposedly "respectable" position with more authority than you had touched your sexual organ without anyone else to witness this humiliating violation?
I feel that asking how serious it was is shortsighted as I was speaking from my understanding of where sin comes from and what should be my main focus if I experienced a situation where somebody wanted to touch me in order to gratify their own sexual wishes.
Your reply does make me realize that when I was 16 I didn't have the understanding that I have now, and I apologize if I offended anyone with what I questioned in my previous post.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

Man of Faith

Peace,

Unfortunatly I do not belive Muhammad to necessarily be the last Messenger of God. My mind is not made up in case there would be another.

I am suspecting the understanding of the phrase which locks the possiblity of more Messengers is wrong. Additionally, why would God send a Messenger of God regularly over centuries up to 600s AD and then suddenly no Messenger shows up again?

It has been a long period without Messengers, but I am sure there will be more Messengers coming around, unless it is time for the end of days soon. Maybe not script-bearing, but propagating God alone and warnings to disbelievers, and exposing the lies of the hypocrites. Much like Jesus did.

As with many other Messengers he would probably be disbelieved in by many if he turned up today. Perhaps there have been Messengers after Quran came in 7th century AD which were anonymous. Some people believe that Rashad Khalifa was a Messenger, however this person may not really have been a role model, but he advocated the use of Quran alone. RK claimed that he was "contacted" by God on several occasions. He also died 19 years after the vision on his pilgrimage and he was born the 19th day of a month.

We need to remember the Messengers bring news, highlights and new Knowledge, but of course they should not bring falsehood and it seems Rashad did that. But he was also an inspiration for many people. It was due to him that I quickly found out the blasphemies of traditional islam. It seems that he truly was a Messenger which went astray, the Quran seems to talk about that possibility when it comes to Messengers as well. Had Dr. Khalifa been more strategic and not ventured into the wealth and fame life he may have had a bigger impact and positive impact than he had, but his life has still made a difference for the world.

If you study RK's life you will see that his blaspemies became worse and worse over the years and it was in the end that he claimed Messengership. Soon thereafter he was murdered. The first edition of his Quran translation was not as distorted as the most available one today, because if you did not know he made more than one edition. The appendices were later inventions while he was on a living spree, it seems he derailed and went on his own path.

Regarding errors in the so-called code 19; many of them appeared when he became obcessed with this code and in the beginning they were not so daring and he was more careful. Furthermore, he was only human so certainly what he did contained errors. He most likely also came up with combinations of 19 in his delusions and destroyed the public significance of it. Like some critics of the code claim; "the number 19 is just a number", and yes that is true, so many combinations of it means nothing. It depends on in which context it is applied and for which purpose. The whole "phenomenon" is a sign and not something to derive interpretational ideas from.

There are so much material with code 19 on the Internet and much is wrong, but on the whole the code is true in its existence. Please study some simple counts of 19 in Quran such as 'Basmalah' and some people present material which speaks for itself. I know some people call it stupid to believe in 19, but I did from the first time I saw it and I still do. I do not aim at proving it for there seems not to be any point in doing so and many people have done it but it is not believed in. Proving code 19 is like proving God's existence.

God bless you
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hicham9

Quote from: hawk99 on July 16, 2013, 12:43:43 AM
References please ....

According to the Qur'an, being a "Messenger of God" is not confined to human beings (alone).

The Angels are Messengers of God (35:1; 17:95).
The Holy Spirit is a Messenger of God (19:17; 19:19; 16:102).
& the "Prophets" are simply Messengers of God from among us (17:94; 57:25; 2:213; 2:253; 7:158)

A "Messenger of God" is any "Sentient Creation" ordered to convey a "Message of God".
Consequently, being a "Prophet" is confined to human beings alone. There is no such a thing as "Spirit Prophet" or "Angel Prophet" in the Qur'an! Thereby, Prophets are simply "Human Messengers of God".

Premise (1) Prophet = "Human Messenger"
Premise (2) Muhammad = Final Prophet
Conclusion: Muhammad = Final "Human Messenger".

This is my current understanding, and ALLAH knows best.
SLM
I was not delivered in this world into defeat, nor does failure course my veins.
I'm not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion, and I refuse to talk, walk or sleep with the sheep.

hawk99

Quote from: hicham9 on July 16, 2013, 03:25:29 AM
According to the Qur'an, being a "Messenger of God" is not confined to human beings (alone).

The Angels are Messengers of God (35:1; 17:95).
The Holy Spirit is a Messenger of God (19:17; 19:19; 16:102).
& the "Prophets" are simply Messengers of God from among us (17:94; 57:25; 2:213; 2:253; 7:158)

A "Messenger of God" is any "Sentient Creation" ordered to convey a "Message of God".
Consequently, being a "Prophet" is confined to human beings alone. There is no such a thing as "Spirit Prophet" or "Angel Prophet" in the Qur'an! Thereby, Prophets are simply "Human Messengers of God".

Premise (1) Prophet = "Human Messenger"
Premise (2) Muhammad = Final Prophet
Conclusion: Muhammad = Final "Human Messenger".

This is my current understanding, and ALLAH knows best.
SLM

Sorry  hicham9, none of the above confirms your position that Muhammad was the
last human messenger.  The insertion of the word "human" is your own and not
from the Quran.

Blessed ramadan to all!

   :peace:

The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

hicham9

Quote from: hawk99 on July 16, 2013, 04:29:37 AM
Sorry  hicham9, none of the above confirms your position that Muhammad was the last human messenger.

Maybe you can dish out some factual information to enlighten my ignorance then!
What is the difference between a "Prophet" and a "Messenger of God" as per the Qur'an?

Quote from: hawk99 on July 16, 2013, 04:29:37 AMThe insertion of the word "human" is your own and not from the Quran.

I didn't insert anything my bother! God Himself inspired the Final "Prophet" to say he's but a "Human Messenger" (سبحان ربي هل كنت إلا بشرا رسولا)!
I was not delivered in this world into defeat, nor does failure course my veins.
I'm not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion, and I refuse to talk, walk or sleep with the sheep.

noshirk

dear hicham9 and hawk99

Khatam means seal and not last.
Muhammad is the seal of anbiya. That mean that he brought the sealed version of words of god for anbiya.

nabi means informed and you are both anbiya.

Peace
noshirk=trying to never mix teachings of The unique Rabb with other teachings, and specially any kind of clerical teachings.