Belief in AlQuran

[SarahY]

Interesting thought about haqq

Read from 69:40- 52 or 69:48 ? 52.

What do you think the implication of haqq is here? Do you think it alludes to Quran?
وَإِنَّهُ لَحَقُّ الْيَقِينِ
(69:51)

?  69:51 (Asad) for, verily, it is truth absolute!

[Bigmo]

Belief..

Some random thought?s i?d like to question/share

Many people are of the opinion lots of people can be ?muslim? (not that i disagree) how are you defining the term muslim?

Another thing, IF the purpose of Quran is a guidance ?ya ayuha allathina aminou? is a common phrase you will see, addressing those who believe so who is that? (the ones that aminou (look at chapter 49 for example) the ?muslims?? the believers of the Quran or what? The guidance seems to implicate commandments however I know people are of the belief Quran isn?t needed.

What?s the point in following it if it?s not needed? If you can be a Muslim without it? Does being muslim give you jannah?

Also the term kafir comes to mind. If a person comes across Quran reads/studies it yet rejects it does that not make them a kafir? Yet what if that person believed in God? Doesn?t that make them a muslim?

Possibly my preconceived notion of muslim is making me think this all sounds like an oxymoron though i always thought a muslim got jannah. However if they reject Quran then that makes them a kaffir? and kufr gets you jahanam as far as i am aware. (See verse 9:68, )

Who would choose hell? No one.

2:109 ? aren?t ahl alkitab believers? Some are mushrikeen but there are believers so if a believer of God is simply a muslim then it's really not much??

Sorry if it sounds disjointed random thoughts going through my head

Comment as you like

Salam.

Many Muslims today read the Quran but don't know what it says and don't care. Would that make them believers in the Quran?

There are many signs of God that people believe in God. The issue here is religion often becomes an identity and tradition and peopl follow it for that reason. The Quran says guidance is from God and many people believed in God before any scriptures came or saw any miracles. And many have had the miracles shown to them and scritures handed to them but did not not.

Anyone who believes in God and believes in some sort of an after life is a believer. Thats my take on it.

[san]

Interesting thought about haqq

Read from 69:40- 52 or 69:48 ? 52.

What do you think the implication of haqq is here? Do you think it alludes to Quran?
وَإِنَّهُ لَحَقُّ الْيَقِينِ
(69:51)

?  69:51 (Asad) for, verily, it is truth absolute!

salam,

Let's extend to the whole Sura 69, 'cos it begins with AlHaaqqah (H-q-q). At first i thought the "hu" (he/it) might refer to "AlHaaqqah" itself or the entire sura... but AlHaaqqah is feminine, unlike what the "hu" suggests... So we get back to the verse 40 Innahu laqawlu rasuwlin kariymin. Further in 69:43 tanziylun min rabbi 'l`aalamiyna.

69:48 And surely it is indeed a reminder to the pious.
69:50 And surely it is indeed a regret to the disbelievers.

Haqq 'lyaqiyn ~ words of noble messenger ~ sent down from Rabbi'l`aalamiyn ~ reminder to the muttaqiyn ~ regret to the kaafiriyn

so i think Haqq 'lyaqiyn ~ AQ does make sense

Related to prev. discussions, then some people (who are muttaqiyn) can have Haqq 'lyaqiyn before death (as the word "tad.kirah/reminder" suggests).
Following the word "Hasrah/regret", people can regret before death too (3:156, 8:36), but some people may only fully realize their regret after "the Hour" (6:41). "Day of Regret" (19:39) is also notable.

So remind/remember now or regret later...


Thanks for the pointer, it's interesting

[SarahY]

Many Muslims today read the Quran but don't know what it says and don't care. Would that make them believers in the Quran?

You answered your own question ?don?t know what it says and don?t care?

There are many signs of God that people believe in God. The issue here is religion often becomes an identity and tradition and peopl follow it for that reason. The Quran says guidance is from God and many people believed in God before any scriptures came or saw any miracles. And many have had the miracles shown to them and scritures handed to them but did not not.

Yep some people believed in God without scripture, others with scriptures rejected. Today most people?s origins relates to some creed. Most people have an idea of God, deism seem to be a new common thing..

Anyone who believes in God and believes in some sort of an after life is a believer. Thats my take on it.

Interesting take, but i?m looking at it Quranically. For example a believer translates as? In your ideology if it?s Quranic? It seems to somewhat support the identity of ?muslim?

You might find these previous posts interesting:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599284.msg233562#msg233562

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599284.msg227419#msg227419


San,

Np I think it does refer to AQ. Though then it implicates those who reject the haqq will be regretful.. so those who reject AQ?


Salam

[Taro Hiroshi]

Peace Wakas,  all,

True. Difficult, but not impossible. Like most things, one can train oneself to be better at it. My favourite online course on critical thinking:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040415023848/http:/www.santarosa.edu/~dpeterso/permanenthtml/lessonFRAME.html
(click through each lesson)

That's a very good online course on critical thinking, in my opinion. Thanks for sharing.

In addition to learning/studying critical thinking, I recommend learning about the Scientific method. Because I think that the scientific method can improve ones critical thinking ability. My favourite guide to the scientific method is this one:

http://scientificmethod.com/index2.html

http://scientificmethod.com/b_index.html

Also, to improve ones critical thinking ability,  I recommend learning about cognitive biases. See this link:

http://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=68705

[Wakas]

peace TH,

It's still one of my favourites.

As I often say "if the filter* is broke, doesn't matter what** you put in it".

*the mind, ability to think.
**information

[fye]

salaam

i haven't been on this forum board in quite sometime but the answer to your questions are in surah 2 al baqarah, simply read it slowly an analyze what the story is , ex: of the people their are some who say we believe but they do not believe.

the rest of the surah goes on to give examples and identify those people.

i never read into it just over it because of it's length... but read into it without the goal of finishing it or any number of ayat even just one ayat like a book you don't want to end and visaulize  it as you read to make it more vivid to you intellect. you'll see what i mean .

[Taro Hiroshi]

Peace Wakas,

Good/nice analogy.

I think one of the biggest secrets to improving ones critical thinking skills is to discard/abandon things one has learned in the past, in order to get an empty mind. As the saying goes, "Only an empty bowl can be filled."

Also, I think one can improve ones critical thinking skills by increasing ones knowledge about different things. The Quran seems to suggest that reasoning-abilities are related to ones level of knowledge.

Quran 29:43
Such are the examples We cite for the people, but none reason except the knowledgeable.