Is Quran Really Compatible with Science????

[Harun]

Peace to All,

My views could sound to you as HERETIC.....thus BEWARE before you read this.

I am a student of Science as many other Monotheists could be in this forum. I see many a times people, even monotheists making weird arguments to prove that Quran is a Scientific Book.

I have Absolutely No Problem if people describe Quran as a scientific book with respect to Embryology, Biology, Evolutionary Biology, Origin of Life or such sciences.

But when it comes to Physics or Astronomy, it is a full MESS.....

"Quran shows evidence for a Big Bang"   

"Quran shows the Sun Moves in Orbit."     

I can easily see that these claims are a deliberate attempt to make Quran a Book compatible with Science. The Atheists make joke that the verses clearly refering to the Sun as a moving body is being distorted.

If I write a Poem and there is a verse in that

the Creator of the is Him
Due to his due
The Sun and the moon in their orbits swim

Will u say that this "poem" is unscientific....NO!!!!!

Do u ever see whether Shakespeare's Plays, or Alexandre Dumas Novels are in resonance with Cosmology.....then why Quran???

The verse that "Sun swims in Orbit" is a rhetoric device, it has nothing to do with describing the astronomical aspects.[/size]

Mind u.....I am not sayin that Quran is an UNSCIENTIFIC Book!!!!!!

The evidences of Biology, Evolution, Embryology, Code 19 are ENOUGH to PROVE that QURAN is a Divine Book. It is a Guidance, Not a Science Book.

So please stop making fake arguments to prove quran shows exact info about Astronomy etc......

If anyone has problems with my views, please send me a PM so we can discuss that.....

Peace
Harun.

[FearGod]

Peace to All,

My views could sound to you as HERETIC.....thus BEWARE before you read this.

I am a student of Science as many other Monotheists could be in this forum. I see many a times people, even monotheists making weird arguments to prove that Quran is a Scientific Book.

I have Absolutely No Problem if people describe Quran as a scientific book with respect to Embryology, Biology, Evolutionary Biology, Origin of Life or such sciences.

But when it comes to Physics or Astronomy, it is a full MESS.....

"Quran shows evidence for a Big Bang"   

"Quran shows the Sun Moves in Orbit."     

I can easily see that these claims are a deliberate attempt to make Quran a Book compatible with Science. The Atheists make joke that the verses clearly refering to the Sun as a moving body is being distorted.

If I write a Poem and there is a verse in that

the Creator of the is Him
Due to his due
The Sun and the moon in their orbits swim

Will u say that this "poem" is unscientific....NO!!!!!

Do u ever see whether Shakespeare's Plays, or Alexandre Dumas Novels are in resonance with Cosmology.....then why Quran???

The verse that "Sun swims in Orbit" is a rhetoric device, it has nothing to do with describing the astronomical aspects.[/size]

Mind u.....I am not sayin that Quran is an UNSCIENTIFIC Book!!!!!!

The evidences of Biology, Evolution, Embryology, Code 19 are ENOUGH to PROVE that QURAN is a Divine Book. It is a Guidance, Not a Science Book.

So please stop making fake arguments to prove quran shows exact info about Astronomy etc......

If anyone has problems with my views, please send me a PM so we can discuss that.....

Peace
Harun.

Read explanation

THE SUN ALSO MOVES ALONG

It was even later, thanks to sophisticated telescopes and the accumulation of cosmological data, that it was concluded that the sun was moving as well and the earth revolved about the sun in motion. Despite the fact that it took science this long, this motion of the sun had already been told 1400 years ago in the Quran. Contrary to the assertion that the sun traced a vicious circle about the earth or that it was stationary, the 38th verse of the sura Ya-Seen stated correctly that it moved on to its destination. As in other subjects, in this one also the Quran is the source that gave a correct account of the sun?s motion.
Read More http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/the-sun-also-moves-along/

[StopS]

Why?
Why should the Koran be correct about scientific topics?
There is nothing scientifically accurate or of scientific interest in the Koran. Even though people in Greece and Egypt discovered some 2000 years ago that Earth is a sphere and rotates around the sun this was not commonly accepted for some time.
I know that in the 70s some dishonest people tried to fool everyone by using a Canadian anatomist and a French doctor to believe there was some scientific facts on embryology buried somewhere in the book, but this was quickly shown to be false, especially since nowadays we have the internet available to show the information that was previously only available to scholars and specialists.

A great example illustrating this and showing the dangers of such an endeavour at the same time is the so-called "scientific miracle" of the expanding Universe.
Some people changed the meaning of musioona in 51:47 from the descriptor "vast" to the verb "expand" and it then said "We have built the heaven with might, and We it is who are steadily expanding it".
Then along came Nobel laureates Saul Perlmutter, Adam Riess and Brian Schmidt in 1998 and expanded the Big Bang model by introducing the accelerating expansion and the word "steadily" had to be removed again. Yet even today, some sites still carry the old attempt at reading science into the Koran and making themselves look a bit foolish.

[Wakas]

http://learn-about-islam.com/2011/10/31/science-reason-compatible/

[StopS]

http://learn-about-islam.com/2011/10/31/science-reason-compatible/

http://learn-about-islam.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/history_science.jpg

Prove it. Take 4 dead birds and then do as commanded:

?Take, then, four birds and teach them to obey thee; then place them separately on every hill [around thee]; then summon them: they will come flying to thee. And know that God is Almighty, Wise."

[Wakas]

I thought this type of thing was well known, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falconry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_pigeon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homing_pigeon

[mirjamnur]

Salam

I read your post interested and i must first note that I felt always impressed of Maurice Bucaille and others who make the Koran 'scientifically compatible'.
This  may be because I'm not a scientist and  I had earlier to rely on translations only - Now I know and I see that many things have been reinterpreted to suit any image.
The Quran is a literary masterpiece, and in many ways it needs imagination, since things are described in beautiful examples.
It can be everyting  interpreted into the Quran -  salat = prayer or not , just to name one example.
I once read a translation about the famous verse in  Sura al Nur, one he explains it as evidence for the laser.

I do not think that the Quran needs to be scientifically. Science is empirical, and the knowledge is constantly changing, the Qur'an is a spiritual book, a guidance for the soul, not a textbook/schoolbook. Not in vain, God says that he given all peoples eyes and ears, and a spirit- everyone has intelligence, but the differences are huge, so it is likely that already from this point of view is not correct, that the Qur'an should be scientifically. It is a guidance for all of humanity, not only for scholars.
Sorry for the english. hope understandable.peace

[StopS]

I thought this type of thing was well known, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falconry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_pigeon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homing_pigeon

I can't find anything there on resurrected or dead birds. Can you help me find that?

[StopS]

Salam

I read your post interested and i must first note that I felt always impressed of Maurice Bucaille and others who make the Koran 'scientifically compatible'.

This  may be because I'm not a scientist and  I had earlier to rely on translations only - Now I know and I see that many things have been reinterpreted to suit any image.
The Quran is a literary masterpiece, and in many ways it needs imagination, since things are described in beautiful examples.
It can be everyting  interpreted into the Quran -  salat = prayer or not , just to name one example.
I once read a translation about the famous verse in  Sura al Nur, one he explains it as evidence for the laser.

I do not think that the Quran needs to be scientifically. Science is empirical, and the knowledge is constantly changing, the Qur'an is a spiritual book, a guidance for the soul, not a textbook/schoolbook. Not in vain, God says that he given all peoples eyes and ears, and a spirit- everyone has intelligence, but the differences are huge, so it is likely that already from this point of view is not correct, that the Qur'an should be scientifically. It is a guidance for all of humanity, not only for scholars.
Sorry for the english. hope understandable.peace

Thank you and I agree with you completely and don't worry about your English, it is easily understandable.

[Wakas]

I can't find anything there on resurrected or dead birds. Can you help me find that?

The verse you quoted was:

And Abraham said: ??My Lord, show me HOW (i.e. the method) you resurrect the dead.? He said, ?Do you not already acknowledge?? He said, ?I do, but to assure my heart. Said He: ?Take, then, four birds and teach them to obey thee; then place them separately on every hill [around thee]; then summon them: they will come flying to thee. And know that God is Almighty, Wise. [2:260]


No dead birds in there. I think you must be confused, and consider the above verses referring to dead birds and cutting them up etc. That is found in some translations, but unfortunately for them, they fail once the verse is analysed, see here:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15458.0

Quite simply, the birds return to their master when called, just like we will when called by our master. That is how.