Quote from: drfazl on August 08, 2015, 06:15:23 PM
The demon is still beating about the bush. He cannot give even ordinary translation to 9:103.
First translate, as ordinarily as possible; that is sufficient. But demon cannot even get near to such a try, leave alone understanding it. That is a far cry.
lol I hate when you do this repeating business. I already answered you in regard to that verse! You always go repeating the same thing and saying I'm not answering just because the answer isn't what you like.
The verse says:
9:101
And among those around you of the bedouins (are) hypocrites and (also) from people (of) the Madinah. They persist in the hypocrisy, not you know them, We [We] know them. We will punish them twice then they will be returned to a punishment great.
9:102
And others have confessed their faults, they have mingled a good deed and an evil one; may be Allah will turn to them (mercifully); surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
9:103
Take from their wealth a charity, purifying them and cause them increase by it, and bless [upon] them. Indeed, your blessings (are a) reassurance for them. And Allah (is) All-Hearer, All-Knower.
Ok.
Now is that clear for you?
It does not say "drfatzl, take their wealth"!
It says to Muhammed, the Messenger (not you), that the people around him have done such and such, so take charity. This is a message to the Messenger, and not telling him to devour their wealth to increase his own, but if he takes charity it is very likely to mean HE DISPERSES IT ON THEIR BEHALF. There are many organizations that do this and individuals. Haven't you heard? You give them money for zakat and they spread it and bring it to the poor. This is a normal and old practice. Even so, if the Prophet was devouring the wealth himself, which is doubtful, those were instructions to the Prophet, and EVEN SO, it is DOUBTFUL they were giving anything like 2000USD each in an economic comparison.
So let us re-iterate:
1. In proper context it is talking about some event in the past regarding the Bedouins and some action that had occurred.
2. The instructions were to the Prophet, not to you or "the believers" even.
3. The instructions were related to a certain incident and people and said to the Prophet, not the believers at large.
4.The taking of charity did not necessarily mean it was being devoured by Muhammed, it is a common practice to take goods and charity on behalf of people and be the dispersal agent of the charity, this is likely what was happening.
5. If Muhammed was devouring their wealth, even so, those were instructions to him and not the believers, and even so it is unlikely anything like "2000USD each" was the "fee" or anything comparable at all to that which is a huge sum today, especially for the people of Tamilnadu, and no one has the right to ask for a fee for "prayers" and the work of Allah. Nor to imply intercession by doing so, that is a terrible thing.
So the demon has answered you, yet again, and I answered you regarding this before as well.
1. You are not dealing with those particular Bedouins who had done wrong.
2. You are not the Messenger, Muhammed. Let me remind you, you are Fazlur Rahman, the one who resembles the "fattened snakes" of old, as I mentioned to you and explained, there were people who used to feed crocodiles and snakes in order that the snakes and crocodiles help them in healing them, they would become monstrous in size at times by devouring these gifts, at other times priests were said to devour these things, these were considered bad practices by believers apparently.
3.It is wrong to take money for the work of Allah, and to take 2000USD or even a grain of grass for "prayers" recited, and it is wrong to imply or set yourself as an intercessor the way they set up saints "pray on my behalf, O saint, because Allah does not listen to me but will listen to you".
4.Find your wealth some other way, this is wrong.
5.The revelations do not apply in this case to the "believers", were in a particular time regarding a particular incident, were said to Muhammed, were likely about the DISPERSAL OF CHARITY ON BEHALF OF OTHERS not likely about Muhammed devouring it himself when the Qur'an clearly says he does not ask for anything or charge a fee, and you are not Muhammed or the messenger EVEN IF HE DID DEVOUR THE WEALTH WHICH IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
So there you go, from all sides. Remember when Shaitan says "I will come at them from before them and behind them and from the left and the right", well this demon is simply telling you to stop sinning, which is a merciful thing to say to you, and is telling you to become upright and good finally, do not devour the wealth of people any more for "prayers" or set yourself up as an intercessor, the punishment is supposed to be hideous for such a crime.
I am not telling you anything wrong at all, I am trying to help you.
