Knocking on the doors of atheism

[Maha]

The homepage of Free Minds has this statement:


This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.

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So why are people here upset that an atheist came in and opened a thread? Isn't that the whole point of this forum?

It is obvious that some here are offended by your atheist thoughts. Atheists have been condemned for centuries by religious people.

I can share with you, that after leaving sunnism I was also an atheist for a period until I began studying Quran on my own. And I bet many people have one time or another in their life (to a certain extent) been familiar to atheistic thoughts, although most of them would not admit it due to the strong condemnation of atheists.

Peace

[macromode]

Life is complicate and it looks like it is designed to force us to think despite our culture, desires or religion or whatever. We are free to believe what ever we want with absolute freedom.

How things are and how we think of things are two different thing.

Atheism is not a new religion. Thinking things happens in life is due to reasons by some chance is easy. But sometimes it is not. Sometimes things happen and we know some atheists have opted to knocking the doors of theism.

It's true where there are majority the minority is condemn. If I am in a majority atheist forum I am usually condemn for my belief. Even for saying simple things like the universe must have a god because it's not eternal and is only around 14 billion years of age and so there is not enough time in terms of probability to arrange all these things from sub-atomic particles to atoms to molecules to stars to planets to living creatures just by chance only. Science also have fairy tales like stories when it comes to explain genesis with strings theory, quantum-mechanics, membranes and multiverse etc.

I don't feel logical to think everything that happened in my life is by chance because I have experienced very improbable things myself. The only ways for me to explain those things is by something other than chance.

Peace

[Man of Faith]

Peace,

Science can co-exist with religion, one does not exclude the other. God and His religion is difficult or even impossible to explain using science, but you can explain science with religion when thinking about creation. Religion does not have many rules of thumb except what is written in God's scripture and you can not verify it by conventional means.

Well, religion and science are not compatible. Science exists because God created a functional world so mankind can explain how it works in their primitive or limited ways. God and His religion is the root which everything originates from, including science. You can explain it like in an operating system access restriction, the root needs Super User (SU) access and the standard user (the human) has no read/write/view access to the root. The SU (God) can execute commands which are visible (regarded as signs) to humans in the operating system (game world) which is the source of Guidance in this world. The root environment is what is regarded as Unseen in Quran.

Since science or mankind has no root access it is unable to find any traces of God which its methods can discover. We can only find God by abstract thinking and spirituality. This is why religion is completely incompatible with science as it needs access to root to research.

God bless you

[Earthdom]

Peace all

Atheist not worship God, but human intelegence, I mean their salvation and way of live is based on their own intellegence only not Scripture nor God.
Liberalism and Hedonism is product of intellegence maniac (atheist).

[NotSure]

If you're an atheist, where will you find comfort when life becomes extremely difficult?? If you have faith, that faith will act as your life-jacket and keep you from drowning when life becomes extremely hard- so long as you continue to hold on to your life-jacket of course. If you don't have faith, you won't have a life-jacket and you will drown easily. I have seen the truth of this with my own eyes.

[zone]

Peace.

IMHO the way to the path of the God?s and the system of the universe are designed to be in Order. That?s why there are Laws governing the universe and principles/laws for us to follow.

The God has to be discovered. From reasoning we can only construct an idea that something make things happen. We don?t say nothing makes things happen. So that something is your God, whatever it is. Your discovery ends where it matters most to your mind at the moment.

Feel free to reason your belief. When everything is in Order in your mind, then you come to a state of certainty.

How we construct the meanings on all these phenomena whether we can see or don?t will determine our success and failure in life and the hereafter.

When you think you know better than other people you are in a state of egoistically arrogant. When you humble, sincere, honest and all that are good in you, you have a greater chance to see something you have not seen before. It means seeing things in plain truth with certainty. Some may have to be in a state of extreme despair or deep trouble or terrible pains in order to make the final call to the God and readily accept His Realness. That is the natural episode in the life of a God seeker or a God rejector whether you like it or not, willingly or not.

Zone.

[zone]

Peace.

Basically, science is about the process of knowing what we want to know and coming to a definition of all those things. Once known and defined we have knowledge.

The fundamental question to any person is what is knowledge?

One school of thought says knowledge is the meaning we construct to represent the truth, based on scientific reasoning and methodology, on a phenomenon.

Another school of thought says knowledge is the true meaning that comes through inspiration/revelation, from the God, on a phenomenon.

So they are a party who would like to be known as scientists and there a party who would like to be known as holy or religious people.

So that?s where the separation begins. The problem begins when one party claim that they are more superior and wish do dominate. Mankind has witnessed persecution and revolution.

Zone.

[mohf]

I see some great posts here, mixed with some bullcrap posts by people who have no manners.

And I see a topic starter who probably totally forgot his topic.

Why don't people open a new topic for discussion?

[JavaLatte]

What proof do you have that the earth is a sphere?  what evidence?  By the way what makes you think that these muslims in arab countries are basing it on pre-established faith based on hadiths?   Is this just your opinion?  did you go ask these arabs or you just made assumptions?   Shouldn't you base your statements on facts and evidence? 

May be these muslims in arab country, based it on common sense.  Actually common sense would say that the earth is flat or more like a frisbee.   The earth looked pretty flat to me when i looked down from the plane.   Your sense of reality that the earth is spherical is based on what?  Essentially pictures taken by astronauts?  Did you actually see the earth from outer space?  No.  Basically, you have placed a blind faith in scientist that the pictures they showed are true.   Essentially what you are doing is exactly what you have alleged these Arab Muslims in doing.  You have accepted scientists/government claims of the earth on faith that they are speaking the truth.   You are convinced by what you read in the paper and seeing pictures or told my people in authority.  Sounds to be that you are suffering from a similar condition as you seem to claim these Arab Muslims are.     Just because these Arab Muslims are not convinced like you and have not put their blind faith,  they are foolish?  Perhaps they find you foolish to believe in something that you actually have not seen for yourself and verifying it for yourself.   

How can you prove providing evidence that the pictures taken and accepted by scientist through out is real and not fake?  May be it is all a propaganda for the Arabs to provide scientific evidence for the Quran which states that the earth is spherical.   

By the way, do you know about Flat Earth Society and their arguments?   They are not living in some Arab country.    They are on Facebook and twitter.  You alleged that these Arab Muslims have been conditioned on nonsense faith but about the arguments and proposed scientific truths/proofs of the Flat Earth Society members? 

If you were living 60 years ago when we didn't have these evidence that you needed for you to be convinced that the earth is spherical, what would you have believed?  Would you have held the belief that the earth is flat based on your senses?  would you have said that Muslims who believed the earth was spherical because of the teachings of the Koran were following theological principles and were foolish, conditioned and delusional?   Would you have rejected factual truth that the earth is spherical due to lack of evidence or proof?   

So does lack of evidence or proof mean that something is not true?   60 years ago we didn't have the kind of evidence we have now about the earth being spherical, so does that mean that the earth is flat and not spherical?  The Flat Earth Society have their own arguments, evidence and apparent scientific proofs.  60 years ago if you came upon them, would you then have been convinced and believed the earth to be flat. 

lack of evidence or proof doesn't alter the fact or truth.  Lack of understanding or knowledge doesn't alter the truth.   Just because we don't have the knowledge, proof, understanding, evidence doesn't mean that something doesn't exist or true.   

So, I find your claim to be a rational thinker to be anything but rational.  More like very much limited.

Sister, I wonder whether you agree that the earth is flat?

If only you back and tell us more about this issue, I'd like to know your thought about flat earth and the Qur'an. 

Salaam.