QuoteDespite being given a formal warning for false / slanderous statements, you continue!
Incorrect. This statement (which I think is neither slander nor false) was made BEFORE I was issued a formal warning.
QuoteWhen I offered to discuss these issues with you, I suggested a public forum, such as FM. I did not say I did not want to discuss anywhere else, as your slanderous statement implies.
Ah, allow me to change it then - Wakas did not want to discuss it in facebook where he first presented his critique.
QuoteFurther, when I presented my critique of your blog post, you were silent. As time went on, you went on to discuss various other interpretations, you made the same types of errors, in my view, as you did in the critique I wrote, hence I brought them up again. Several times. Then when you finally responded to them, you were primarily interested in discussing methodology rather than actually replying to any of the points I wrote. Thus, if you were unwilling to answer my points, why would I answer your points?
This is SLANDER AND FALSE and I will formally complain about this! (that's a joke btw).
1. You deliberately harassed me for the SAME critique of 2/196 when I ignored you. You did not mention my other blog posts because, quite rightly, you have no explored them yet. Your focus was 2/196 exclusively. Want proof? Evidence based? Here is the exchange between us about your harassment:
Salam Wakas,
I have made it clear to you before that I do no wish to engage with you in any discussion. The reason as I said is because I find your ATTITUDE less than conducive to quranist development.
You are free to criticise my work in any group you like. However, please don't expect any response and PLEASE DONT PRESS ME for answers.
Hope that clarifies matters. Thanks.
You then replied:
Peace Farouk, no, you never made that clear to me.
I find that interesting and I think others in the group would also find that interesting.
I am reminded of what you said to me in your previous message - "have you ever asked yourself, maybe it's me? maybe im not equipped to get it? please think about it." - it seems this could equally apply to you, but without discussion, I guess you prefer not to find out.
Suffice to say I'm disappointed, as admin (and not to mention "Quranist") you should lead by example in healthy discussion of one's views etc.Please note, 'your previous message' here refers to a PREVIOUS warning about ANOTHER insulting remark. So there is a history of aggressive behaviour from you here. I was not the first person being harassed.
I then replied:
Of course it could equally apply to me. I would the first to admit it my limit. However, I would not care to find out to discuss with someone with an attitude like yours. Being proven wrong isn't a problem for me. Encouraging elitist attitudes is. It goes against everything I am working for which is to democratise the reading. So prove me wrong all you like.
Healthy discussions don't come with comments like the ones you've made. Comments like that KILL OFF free thinking.You then replied
Thanks for the reply.
So lets be very clear. I already warned you about harassment before. This is not about OTHER issues but this same one which you claimed 'stung me'. Please observe the exchange above for clarity. I asked you to keep writing your critiques but to stop HARASSMENT.
And what did you do? You CHANGED YOUR ID and tried to force me into discussion again (proof is here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/181724025200188/permalink/427396597299595/).
So please don't plead 'slander' here, Wakas. You have a history of aggression and deceptive tactics where you force people to engage with you.
2. I could not answer your points because you refused to substantiate the BASIS of your critique. Take for example your first point from your critique where you talked about whether many people can actualise my interpretation or not.
HOW ON EARTH is that relevant? It's about as relevant if one can dress as a matador while performing what I call 'hajj al-bayt'. With such 'quality' of questions, naturally I have to ask you the basis of your critique. You refused to answer this so what I am meant to think? You present a critique, then harass me when I refuse to engage (proof above) , then when i engage, you refuse to substantiate your critique. What gives you the right to ask, harass yet be above substantiation? And now you complain about slander but your own slander is overlooked? Quite amazing...
QuoteWhilst the discussion started out like that, you filled your replies with false, misleading, slanderous, derogatory statements. So, to get us back on track, I decided to refer your slanderous statements to admin for decision, for which action was taken. It was hoped by myself that this action, as I stated to admin, would result in you getting back to an evidence-based discussion, not a personal attack agenda driven one.
But here you go again!
That is a lie and a slanderous statement and deliberately omitting some elements for example YOUR insulting remarks which I have listed AND complained about was REFUSED an answer (that's the justice system in a 'GOD ALONE' forum, lovely) .
Also, it's not 'here you go AGAIN' because this remark was made BEFORE your friends gave the formal warning. Now that the warning has been given, fine. I am ready to the continue the discussion.