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Were all Prophets/Messengers from Arabia?

Started by almarh0m, August 30, 2012, 11:16:49 PM

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almarh0m


Peace

I have been reading Pazuzu's posts on the topic "Road of The Patriarch" with interest and fascination with his assertion that all the prophets and messengers mentioned in the Qur'an were all in Arabia (They must be all Arabic speakers then). While I would like very much to agree with Pazuzu's theory, some verses in the Qur'an prevent me from taking all his claims seriously in his interesting posts.
Besides, any student of the Qur'an will know that Allah sent Thousands of Prophets and Messengers to every tribe and nation from amongst themselves and in their own languages.

If Pazuzu's theory is correct or true, then The Qur'an is no longer "The Criterion" for which to distinguish truth or falsehood, now let's see what the Qur'an say about Prophets/Messengers/Warners in respect of The Arabs.

1. Al Qur'an 32:3
   
[b3 Or do they say, "He has forged it"? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance.
][/b]

أَمْ يَقُولُونَ افْتَرَاهُ ۚ بَلْ هُوَ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ لِتُنذِرَ قَوْمًا مَّا أَتَاهُم مِّن نَّذِيرٍ مِّن قَبْلِكَ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَهْتَدُونَ

2. Al Qur'an 34:44

[b44 But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners. ][/b]

وَمَا آتَيْنَاهُم مِّن كُتُبٍ يَدْرُسُونَهَا ۖ وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا إِلَيْهِمْ قَبْلَكَ مِن نَّذِيرٍ

3. Al Qur'an 36:6

لِتُنذِرَ قَوْمًا مَّا أُنذِرَ آبَاؤُهُمْ فَهُمْ غَافِلُونَ

In order that thou mayest admonish a people, whose fathers had received no admonition, and who therefore remain heedless


After reading the above verses, can we still claim that all the prophets/messengers/warners all were in the Arabian Peninsula? Are all the stories in the Qur'an also took place in Arabia and Arabia is where the land "Blessed for The Worlds" located? Looking forward to enlightenment from any forum members and not necessarily from Pazuzu.

Peace

almarh0m

"He who Created me, it is He who Guides me"

Jafar

Oh yes.. all prophets/messengers are arabs...
And so does the kebab deliverymen..

huruf

I you refer to the prophets mentionned in the Qur'an, I think most or all were from the same region as Prophet Muhammad, but of course we know that God sent his envoys to all peoples, as He says in the Qur'an therefore NOT all prophets were from Arabia, most likely most were not from Arabia, but their names are not in the Qur'an, they probably figure in the traditions of each people and many probably ar forgotten.

Salaam

Jafar

Good post huruf...

Now imagine these:
- Mentioning Confucius to the 6th century Arabs & Jews.
- Mentioning Abraham to the 500BC Chinese.

Common answer from the audience will be: Who the heck are you talking about?

Salam / Peace

almarh0m

"I you refer to the prophets mentionned in the Qur'an, I think most or all were from the same region as Prophet Muhammad, but of course we know that God sent his envoys to all peoples, as He says in the Qur'an therefore NOT all prophets were from Arabia, most likely most were not from Arabia, but their names are not in the Qur'an, they probably figure in the traditions of each people and many probably ar forgotten".


Peace

Of course I referred to the prophets/messengers/warners mentioned in the Qur'an. How do you know that most of those prohets were from the same region as Muhammad the Arab Messenger, have you any Qur'anic evidence for your claim? Or perhaps the verses 32/3, 34/44 and 36/6 aren't clear enough? The reason I posted those verses is to draw Pazuzu's attention to the existence of these verses which negate the core of his theory regarding "The Patriarchs".

IMHO, Pazuzu relies too much on The Works of Kamal Salibi and The Old Testament to reach his conclusion and not enough effort to find more evidence from The Qur'an itself. Pazuzu's theory is a very intesting read and I don't think many people will disagree with that, but whether it is accurate or not is another question. After all God's earth is spacious and some of those people mentioned in the Qur'an could have come from anywhere and could have been Indian or even Chinese but is it important? What is important is The Message they all brought from god.

Peace

almarh0m
"He who Created me, it is He who Guides me"

Pazuzu

QuoteThe reason I posted those verses is to draw Pazuzu's attention to the existence of these verses which negate the core of his theory regarding "The Patriarchs".

Peace, almarh0m..

The answer to your doubt is very simple:

The Quran tells us that sometime after Noah's age, Allah evetnually sent many messengers, in rapid succession to the generations / nations of Arabia:

{Then We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation their messenger, they denied him. So We made them follow one another, and We let them become narrations. So away with a people who do not believe!}...[23:44]

If you look at the Children of Israel, for example, you will see how their messengers were sent one after the other, with hardly a pause between their generations. This process went on until around 600 BC, which coincides with the time of the Babylonian Exile.

Muhammad, on the other hand, came sometime in the early 6th Century A.D, after a very long "pause" - so to speak - in the messengers.

The following passage explains it all:

{O people of the Book, Our messenger has come to clarify for you after a long absense of messengers; so that you cannot say: "No bearer of good news or warner has come to us;" for a bearer of good news and a warner has come to you; and Allah is capable of all things}...[5:19]

Please pay close attention to the above. Why are they being called "People of the Book" if no messenger had EVER come to them??

This explains why we read passages like the ones you pointed out, telling us that Muhammad (P) was sent to people whose fathers had not received any messengers. This is because many many centuries had passed between the last messengers sent to the Israelites (600 BC) and Muhammad (600 AD). We're talking 12 centuries here, and that's a very long time in terms of human years.

On the other hand, the Quran tells us that the homes of Aad, Thamuud, Lot and Midyanwere all arond Muhammad's people. So how can this fit with your theory?

If that doesn't convince you, then nothing will.

Peace...



Pazuzu

QuoteThe reason I posted those verses is to draw Pazuzu's attention to the existence of these verses which negate the core of his theory regarding "The Patriarchs".

Peace, almarh0m..

The answer to your doubt is very simple:

The Quran tells us that sometime after Noah's age, Allah evetnually sent many messengers, in rapid succession to the generations / nations of Arabia:

{Then We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation their messenger, they denied him. So We made them follow one another, and We let them become narrations. So away with a people who do not believe!}...[23:44]

If you look at the Children of Israel, for example, you will see how their messengers were sent one after the other, with hardly a pause between their generations. This process went on until around 600 BC, which coincides with the time of the Babylonian Exile.

Muhammad, on the other hand, came sometime in the early 6th Century A.D, after a very long "pause" - so to speak - in the messengers.

The following passage explains it all:

{O people of the Book, Our messenger has come to clarify for you after a long absense of messengers; so that you cannot say: "No bearer of good news or warner has come to us;" for a bearer of good news and a warner has come to you; and Allah is capable of all things}...[5:19]

Please pay close attention to the above. Why are they being called "People of the Book" if no messenger had EVER come to them??

This explains why we read passages like the ones you pointed out, telling us that Muhammad (P) was sent to people whose fathers had not received any messengers. This is because many many centuries had passed between the last messengers sent to the Israelites (600 BC) and Muhammad (600 AD). We're talking 12 centuries here, and that's a very long time in terms of human years.

On the other hand, the Quran tells us that the homes of Aad, Thamuud, Lot, and Midyan were all around Muhammad's people. So how can this fit with your theory?

If that doesn't convince you, then nothing will.

Peace...



Pazuzu


noshirk

Salaam

all the prophets and messengers mentioned in the Qur'an were all in Arabia
is not same as
all the prophets and messengers were all in Arabia.



Peace
noshirk=trying to never mix teachings of The unique Rabb with other teachings, and specially any kind of clerical teachings.

good logic

Peace all

Was Younes ( Jonah) from Arabia?

peace.
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