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Started by sushi1992, August 28, 2012, 03:23:07 PM

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sushi1992

Selam all,

Just was letting everyone know that there is a documentary on islam on channel 4 sky 104 for any of you in England. Thought it could be interesting. Think I'll see what they discuss :).

Peace :) :peace:
Allah created all in the world for you to live and use. Use your knowledge, heart, mind and soul to determine your path in guidance with God, the Designer and Creator, and you shall succeed as a right

Roshan

Peace:

Watched 2/3. Awesome documentary.


MSW

Peace to mankind  :sun:

I've seen the documentary and I think in some parts in supports the Quranist logic: as hearsay not being a good source for information. Anyway I don't see what the fuss is about with all the fool sunni scholars: the story he presents seems to be true and reliable without the arab myths encompassed into the religion. I say "good job " to the historian for unravelling what is hidden under lies.

es

I don't know how these nutties got my e-mail address, but I am sure it is down to some Data Protection rules being violated! Anyway, I have no idea what they say, but here are two e-mails I had the pleasure of receiving in my inbox last week:

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PRESS RELEASE: iERA responds to Channel 4's "Islam: The Untold Story" by Tom Holland‏


29th August 2012


On the 28th August 2012, the UK broadcaster Channel 4 showed a documentary ?Islam: The Untold Story? by Tom Holland, which sought to cast doubt on the historical record of Islam from both Islamic and non-Islamic sources.

 

The Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA) has found the programme fundamentally flawed, relying on dubious and rogue scholarship rejected by established academics, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike.

 

Media organisations have a duty to present before the public a balanced and fair account of the facts, as established by mainstream authorities within their respective fields. If fringe or as in this case, completely absurd views are to be put forward, they should be presented us such, so that the public can make real informed judgements.

 

After all, would a discussion on holocaust denial be presented in such a way that invites doubt on mainstream scholarship, simply because some rogue (and dangerous) elements exist? Or, indeed, a scientific discussion that climate change is not affected by human activity? No. This would not happen on any of these important issues, yet it seems the integrity of the Islamic historical record is fair game to malign.

 

This seems a desperate attempt from Channel 4 to get ratings by allowing blatant untruths to be aired to millions of people, which is grossly irresponsible from such a respected broadcaster.

 

Hamza Tzortzis and Adnan Rashid, researchers at iERA, have written a comprehensive paper scrutinising the outrageous claims made by Holland.

 

Holland claims there is no historical evidence from the seventh century on the origins of Islam. This is categorically refuted by the existence of a number of chronicles such as the Doctrina Jacobi (635 CE), a record of the Arab conquest of Syria written in 637 CE and writings from Sebeos, Bishop of the Bagratunis (c.660CE).

 

Holland also makes another blunder when he states that the city of Mecca is not mentioned in the Quran when it is clearly stated:

 

"And it is He who withheld their hands from you and your hands from them within [the area of] Makkah (Mecca) after He caused you to overcome them. And ever is Allah of what you do, Seeing." (Qur'an 47: 133 - 138)

 

Holland relied heavily on the work of Patricia Crone and other sceptics who themselves have been discredited by fellow historians. This selective use of ?experts? on Islam shows Holland in a bad light as someone who appears to have had an agenda to portray Islam in a way that belies its undeniable rational and historical basis.

 

http://www.iera.org.uk/press_29aug2012.html

 

We invite Mr. Holland to a dialogue with iERA in order to clear up any misconceptions he has about the foundations, origins and sciences of Islam.

 
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ACTION ALERT: Respond to Channel 4's "Islam: The Untold Story" by Tom Holland




British broadcaster Channel 4 aired a programme "Islam: The Untold Story" on Tuesday 28th August 2012 with the show presented by Tom Holland. A number of absurd and outrageous claims were made by Holland against Islam such as Makkah not being mentioned in the Quran and that all historical information from about Islam from the earliest sources is fabricated and unreliable.

 

Please see http://www.iera.org.uk/press_29aug2012.html for a detailed response to Holland?s baseless claims.

 

Holland relied on rogue scholarship and discredited academics to make his claims that Islam has no historical or intellectual basis and it is scandalous that a major broadcaster such as Channel 4 allowed this programme its airtime.

 

We urge all Muslims and non-Muslims alike to complain to Channel 4 and Ofcom as it is fundamentally irresponsible for flagrant untruths about one of the world?s most significant religions to be spread amongst millions of people

 

Please write to Channel 4 at  www.channel4.com/4viewers/contact-us and to Ofcom at www.ofcom.org.uk.

 

By complaining, we want to ensure that Channel 4 will not allow such programmes to be shown on their services again. Muslims need to make sure Islam is accurately portrayed in the media which already has a bias against our beautiful religion.




MSW

My God the hadithers are out of control!!! :&

Roshan

Every so often, there is some issue which shows the sectarians in the true light of day for what they are - backward reactionaries. How could anyone interested in Islam hate this program done by real academics, in a serious tone on prime time TV.

Even if it is garbage (which it isn't), surely it is better than the routine offerings of pornography and vanity that occupy so much TV?

They need to answer, the lack of the mention of Mecca is the earliest sources, for one thing. The guy came so close to the truth (that real Islam was changed in the post Muhammad era to what it is today, and the beliefs of today are merely myths built upon these shaky foundations), he almost touched it, but didn't know what he was looking for.

Roshan 

Student of Allah

Shalom Aleikhem,

Which documentary are we talking about ? Can anyone give me the link or the title of the documentary itself please ?




Peace
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MSW

The documenatry is Islam : the untold story, broadcasted on channel 4 (Britain) a week ago . Here's a link : http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/4od

es

Quote from: Student of Allah on September 02, 2012, 03:31:06 PM
Shalom Aleikhem,

Which documentary are we talking about ? Can anyone give me the link or the title of the documentary itself please ?




Peace
--------------- Student of Allah



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