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Patanahi

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Burma Massacre - Hoax or Reality
« on: July 28, 2012, 11:12:47 PM »
Any comments on below news analysis??
Its copied/pasted from a website



Why the Genocide of Burmese Muslims?
 
After reading and watching helplessly the recent massacre of minority Burmese Muslims by the Buddhist majority, let not another hypocrite sing that phoney and repugnant 'song' about Buddhists being "peaceful."

In June 2012, hundreds Burmese Muslims have been butchered, and many more injured and made homeless in Burma as a result religious intolerance by the Buddhist majority. The Burmese military government, far from trying to resolve the problem and protect the minority, has been silently conniving with the rioters by creating greater hardships for the Muslim minority.
 
The reason of this June 2012 riot is unknown except for the periodical outbursts of the Burmese Buddhists to show their might and vent their anger on the helpless minority. It is commonly accepted that the June 2012 massacre of Burmese Muslims was intentionally orchestrated by the rioters in collaboration with the government. Yet the world, including the UN, is conveniently silent. The brazenly hypocritical and unscrupulous woman, Aung San Suu Kyi, is very prompt at accusing the Burmese military of human rights violations when she is under house arrest. But she finds nothing wrong when the military helps the Buddhist mobs to murder the innocent Muslim minority of her country.

As in India, anti-Muslim riots are nothing unusual in Burma. Violence in Burma against Muslims have been erupting periodically since the 1920s based simply on religious intolerance by the Buddhist majority.

The Muslims of Burma mainly belong to the Arakan state in western Burma. They are known as Rohingya or Burmese Muslims. The term "Rohingya" has been derived from the Arabic word "Raham" meaning sympathy. Muslim settlements began being established in the Arakan province of Burma since the arrival of the Arabs in the 8th century. Presently about 800,000 Rohingya live in Burma. The United Nations describes them as "one of the world?s most persecuted minorities." Yet it has never bothered to help them.

Religious freedom for Muslims in Burma has been systematically curbed. In the post 9/11 era, random accusations of "terrorism" against Muslims have become a common form of persecution and harassment by Burmese Buddhists. Burmese Government does not consider Rohingya Muslims as citizens and they are hated by the Buddhist majority. Rohingya Muslims in Burma have long demanded recognition as an indigenous ethnic group with full citizenship by birthright. But the Government regards them as illegal immigrants from neighboring Bangladesh and denies them citizenship.

"Nobel Prize winner," Aung San Suu Kyi, does not consider Muslims as citizens. Speaking at London School of Economics meeting on June 2012 during her visit to the UK, she said "Rohingya Muslims should not be considered citizens." Later during her press conference at Downing Street, she did not condemn the killings of Rohingya Muslims taking place in Burma. Instead, she simply said that this "ethnic conflict should be investigated and dealt with wisdom." It wasn't just an insufficient response but a very shocking one from someone supposed to have won a "Noble Peace Prize."

The notorious master hypocrite and undercover CIA agent, Dalai Lama, continues to globe trot without mentioning a single word of the dangerously growing Buddhist intolerance in Burma, Thailand, Tibet and across the world. Such intolerance and persecution invariably result in resistance by the oppressed. Many Muslims have joined armed resistance groups, fighting for greater freedom in Burma.

On June 3rd 2012, eight Muslims returning to Rangoon in a bus after visiting a Masjid in the Arakan province were attacked by a mob of hundreds of Buddhists and slaughtered brutally. An eye-witness reported that after the mass murder "the culprits were celebrating triumph spitting and tossing wine and alcohol on the dead bodies lying on the road."

"These innocent people have been killed like animals," said Abu Tahay, of the National Democratic Party for Development, which represents the country?s much-persecuted stateless Muslim Rohingya community.

The Rohingya Muslims of Burma have continued to suffer from human rights violations under the Burmese junta since 1970s. Over the years thousands of Rohingya refugees have fled to neighboring countries like Thailand, Indonesia and Bangladesh etc. Even as refugees they have been facing hardships and have suffered persecution by the Thai government. In February 2009, a group of 5 boats packed with Burmese Rohingya Muslims were taken out and abandoned in the open sea by the Thai army. Four of these boats sank in a storm and one was washed ashore near the Indonesian islands. The few survivors who were rescued by Indonesian authorities told horrific stories of being captured and beaten by the Thai military and then abandoned at open sea.

Being "peaceful" or "humble" (as claimed by their biased supporters) is a far cry concerning the Burmese Buddhists. Their vindictive temperament prowls for vendetta, waiting to use even the most insignificant occurrence as an excuse to perpetrate violence on Burmese Muslims. At any time, if there's some ethnic disturbance between Muslims and Buddhists/Hindus in any other country, the Burmese Buddhists waste no time going on a murderous spry killing the Muslim minority in Burma. If there is the slightest of trouble between Muslims and non-Muslims in Indonesia, it's taken as a pretext to kill Muslims in Burma by Buddhist mobs. The destruction of the statues in Bamiyan (Afghanistan), created an immediate excuse to commit violence against Muslims in Burma in 2001. The firebrand Buddhist monks demanded a Muslim masjid to be destroyed in retaliation. Mobs of Buddhists led by monks, vandalized Muslim-owned businesses and property in Burma, and attacked and killed Muslims in Muslim communities.

Gruesome images of murdered Rohingya Muslims in the recent June 2012 riots in Burma have been circulated on websites, resulting in protests in several Muslim countries and by various human rights activists around the world demanding justice & protection in Burma for the minority, but has fallen on deaf ears as usual, getting little or no coverage from mainstream news channels.

"It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it."
? Aung San Suu Kyi

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Re: Burma Massacre - Hoax or Reality
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 11:41:37 PM »
I don't think this is the case of "Buddhist MONKS" burning other people kind of thing..

This is the case of Mob-and-Leader-Dressed-As-Monks-Paid-By-Military-To-Create-Some-Noise-By-Burning-And-Killing-People-To-Show-How-Importance-Security-And-The-Military-Is-Because-They're-Losing-Power-At-The-Moment kind of thing... It's the case of "If WE don't rule then there will be chaos".. kind of thing..

Saw it in Egypt, Iraq, Indonesia and other places  before.. when the 'Military caste' start to lost their grip on power..

And what's the blame to Dalai Lama??  :rotfl: :rotfl:
In Buddhism unlike in Catholicism, there are no 'structure'.... Dalai Lama is not the "Leader of all Buddhist"...
Dalai Lama is a politician.. trying to gain freedom for his own country (Tibet)..
He has HUGE problem on his own... Myanmar will be on the back of his mind.. definitely...

Back to the main topic..
The "Buddhist Monks" is also the victim of Myanmar military junta's brutality..
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/massacre-of-the-monks-in-burma/story-e6frf7lo-1111114546916

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Re: Burma Massacre - Hoax or Reality
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 08:22:01 PM »
Salaam,

Jafar, the violence was not orchestrated because the military was losing grip of power. In fact, the Rohingya community started being discriminated when the military assumed power following the coup in 1962 by General Ne Win. While conflicts between the Rohingyas and Buddhist Burmese existed  long before the coup, they were still recognized as citizens. After the coup, a Citenzhip Act was introduced which basically denied citizenship because Rohingyas were considered as resident foreigners who mostly came from Bangladesh. In addition to that, Burma wants to be a Buddhist state, and hence views the Muslim Rohingyas to be an obstacle to that objective. Basically it is not something new. The Rohingyas have suffered discrimination for decades, and they are stateless community. Burma expels them, Bangladesh rejects them, Thailand and Malaysia torture and abuse them. It is not of a recent political phenomena, but rather, a conflict rooted in Burmese nationalism and self determination that has gone on for decades.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2012, 02:53:23 AM »
Salaam Brothers and Sisters,
I spent some time in Burma (as it was) and still have friends there! I am a former Buddhist Monk as well.
I have found two disturbing patterns of behaviour in the so called Muslims. When Muslims commit crimes or atrocities they should not be called Muslims. When Muslims have atrocities done to them it is by particular religions (not individuals) and it is because they are Muslim.
Double standards?
The Rohingya have made it very difficult for poor Burmese living side by side with them, they have also had a number of criminal gangs creating real havoc. They have made demands of the Government that would give them quite a bit of autonomy and land. This has caused numerous tensions with the indigenous poor farmers as you can imagine.
This is not about Muslims or Buddhists it is about land and power!
Whoever makes it a religious problem does a great disservice to both sides!  :hail

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Re: Burma Massacre - Hoax or Reality
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2012, 03:18:41 AM »
Salaam Muddy,

I do realise that the Rohingya conflict is not solely due to their being Muslims, it is also due to their differing identity. However, unless I am gravely mistaken, Burma wants to be a Buddhist state and hence, Rohingyas are perceived to be a threat to the Buddhist self-determination. It resembles Israeli-Palestinian conflict, where both race and religion play an important role in the conflict.

Yes, Rohingyas have wanted for an autonomous land, but they are pretty much powerless because they have not had the resources to put up a significant level of resistance and the media has not given much attention to their plight. If your life has been oppressed, should you not at least put up a resistance? The Rohingyas live in deplorable conditions for decades, and pretty much forgotten by the world. They want their own autonomy because Burma does not even recognise them as citizens, and imposes strict measures that strip off their freedom. Do you expect them to sit quietly?







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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 03:31:49 AM »
Peace All.

God is always on the side of the oppressed whoever they may be!  HE knows who deserves HIS support.

GOD is the one who is in control!:

" HE gives power to whom HE wants, takes away power from whom HE wants, Exhaults whom HE wants...."

He tests us  according to HIS knowledge.

Those who show patience and strive for HIS cause, will get HIS help.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2012, 03:46:58 AM »
Salaam BornAgain,

I am not suggesting that the Rohingyas do not have real grievances, as do the poor Burmese who live impoverished, oppressed lives under government rule.
I am trying to show that it is not about Buddhist or Muslim these are incidentals in this case.
It is not about ethnicity or religion but poverty and lack of power.
The perception of those with a vested interest in staying in control of land, money and power (those with all these) will use incidentals like Religious affiliations to control and divide those who may oppose them.
By shouting divisive slogans and apportioning blame to anyone but the government is playing the loaded game on their terms.
Whether the Government like to call themselves Buddhist or not means very little as it would if they called themselves Muslim. Both would clearly be lies!
Certain (so called Muslims) are putting out mis-information regarding this issue including (I have seen these) alleged pictures of monks killing Muslims. Many of these are fakes taken in other countries (one from the Chinese earth quakes when Buddhist Tibetan monks are helping clear bodies and look for survivors) and claiming it as proof of Buddhist atrocities :brickwall:
The problem with these issues is that people play out their own problems through the medium of others problems and by so doing add more misunderstanding and enmity to the world.

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 11:30:54 AM »
However, unless I am gravely mistaken, Burma wants to be a Buddhist state

If "Burma" is "Common Burmese" (and not the generals / politicians) You are gravely mistaken...

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and hence, Rohingyas are perceived to be a threat to the Buddhist self-determination. It resembles Israeli-Palestinian conflict, where both race and religion play an important role in the conflict.
Rohingyas are indeed Bangladeshi by origin... 

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The Rohingyas live in deplorable conditions for decades, and pretty much forgotten by the world. They want their own autonomy because Burma does not even recognise them as citizens, and imposes strict measures that strip off their freedom. Do you expect them to sit quietly?

And so does Burmese Christians, Burmese Buddhist (Who dare to fight the corrupted regime) and millions of other Burmese....
Like I said before: the true evil here is "The Myanmar Military Junta".. and not "The Buddhist" let alone "The Buddhist Monks"..

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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 11:39:43 AM »
Jafar,
Thank you for a balanced post :bravo:


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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 01:54:29 AM »
Salaam Jafar,

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If "Burma" is "Common Burmese" (and not the generals / politicians) You are gravely mistaken...

I said "Burma", not Burmese. It means the government currently in power.  I have always distinguished between a country and its people.

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Rohingyas are indeed Bangladeshi by origin... 

So?

And that justify their being oppressed? If that's the case, let's send Americans, Australians, etc etc to their country of origin.

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And so does Burmese Christians, Burmese Buddhist (Who dare to fight the corrupted regime) and millions of other Burmese....

True. But even after there are some human rights movement in Burma, people are silent about the Rohingyas. Heck, even Suu Kyi has been silent and dodging the question when asked about the issue.

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Like I said before: the true evil here is "The Myanmar Military Junta".. and not "The Buddhist" let alone "The Buddhist Monks"..

Yes. But the conflict did not escalate when the military started losing power, it was after they ASSUMED power.
Those who are oppressed include those who were born there, as well as their parents and so on. They were denied citizenship because of both their ethnic and religion.
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