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Re: The four witnesses for adultery
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2013, 11:11:32 PM »
Any witness can be questioned. That is what witnesses are for. And if there is the slightest possibility of the witnesses not being honest or authentic they whould be disregarded. That the Qur'an does not need to write, because it is a fundamental characteristic of witnessing and the reason why in any law system an only witness is nul. You need at least two witnesses so that you can check the testimony of one against the other and of course, whether it be one or twenty you can examine their testimony against any other element of evidence. They are liably with their testimony.

If witnesses testimony is taken as good without the slightest scrutiny, that is tampering with law and of course justice. The failure there would not be with any law requiring witnesses, but with the administrators of justice who disregard the fundamentals of ANY law system. If they do that, it is no question of theis law being good or bad, it does not matter because if people and the whole justice aparatus is going to trample with law, then no matter how good or bad is the law, it will reuslt in the same, because nolaw and no system is better than the people who apply. The best theoretical low system will be a catastrophe if it is not applied, or if it is wrogly applied and that is the persons who apply it who are the problem, not the system itself.

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Re: The four witnesses for adultery
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2013, 02:27:11 AM »
Peace

I agree that it's not necessarily the system that's the problem, but rather the people themselves. However, that's why the law needs to be as solid as possible. People suck.

We're relying on people to not be corrupt. We're replying on them to scrutinize the details and take their time. We're relying on them to be fair and just. When have the majority of people on this Earth ever been those things? What makes us think that those who interrogate the witnesses won't have a vested interest, and make false claims that the eyewitness accounts are thorough and entirely believable?

 I don't have any problem with the requirement of 4 witnesses and a thorough interrogation of each witness. However, that's not "proven without a reasonable doubt", and that's what I believe in. For me, "proven without a reasonable doubt" for the accusation of adultery, is indeed tangible proof. That's the best that can be done, and even then, people can tamper with videos and pictures. Still, most people won't go to such great lengths.

 God tells us to bring forth our proofs if we're truthful in another part of the Quran, so then why not this part as well? We've got such  dire punishment at risk, and we're only requiring eyewitness accounts?

God does not change the condition of a people until they change what is within themselves (13:11)

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Re: The four witnesses for adultery
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2013, 05:12:34 AM »
***We're relying on them  EDIT
God does not change the condition of a people until they change what is within themselves (13:11)