I renounced my faith in the divinity of the Qur'an today

[Aryan Warrior]

Peace,

Sorry to hear you are leaving especially with all great fights that you put up against traditionalists on that OTHER message board (yes i'm someone you may know from that board, don't mention your guess here XD) anyways can ask what is your identity now? Are you a deist now? An atheist? Orsomething else?

Anyways i'm not asking you to list them all but can you list at least one of these "contradiction" as i'm quite curious as are others and maybe we can even provide answers cause as far as i'm aware the Quran is without contradiction

[Jafar]

Although I disagree with your conclusion but I would like to say:

Congratulations to you for following what you think is right...

Billions.. yes billions of people lived a good life without ever reading the Quran...
At the end of the day it's your deed that count (and not your belief)

Salam / Peace

[Philosopher]

Apparently you lack reading comprehension skills. I said I didn't feel like writing a long post tonight criticizing the verses I take issue with. Furthermore you couldn't respond to any of my doubts that didn't involve a specific verse but logical skepticisms.

Despite your faith in Qur'an it seems I'm not the only one Allah has made senseless.

its your decision if you havent shared what you have a problem with. but perhaps it would have been better if you shared what verse you have a problem with. It would have been much.more useful for everyone.

its like writing i dont accept einsteins work but i.dont feel like explaining what i disagree with maybe some other time. why not create the thread when you are ready to explain what you dont think agree with. please dont be offended by this. i just genuinely hope you change your mind

[Faithful-Jinn]

First seeming contradiction is the creation of the universe one. Several verses say the universe was made in 6 days or 6 periods or 6 eras or what have you.

But verse 41:9-12 adds the days up to 8. It took 2 days to create earth, 4 days to fill it up, and another 2 days to create the heavens.

Next is the verses about the Christians and the Jews. We have verses saying that they can go to paradise(2:62, 5:69) and then we have verses saying not to take them as friends(5:51). What sense does this make? Furthermore we have a verse saying to slay them(9:29).

Next, the Qur'an says that all good is from Allah and all evil is from ourselves right after it just told us that all good that befalls us is by Allah's command (4:78,79). I argued this with a companion the other day and he didn't believe me until I showed him the verse. When I voiced my concern he simply said to ask someone of knowledge.

The Qur'an says that he creates man from a clot (of blood?) but that goes against science.

The Qur'an says in 54:1 that the moon was cleft asunder. I guess the way to explain this is that it is a figurative not a literal verse. Quite convenient.

The biggest problem I have is a logical concept. God says in the Qur'an that NOBODY believes except by His will (10:100)

He goes on in the Qur'an several times to say that He hardens peoples hearts against belief and guides to Himself whom He wills and misguides others(16:93).

Now why would an all-Merciful and all-Powerful God punish someone who He Himself has decreed should not believe in Him? This makes no logical sense.


EDIT: What I will now propose are verses that are not contradictory in nature but I take issue with on moral or logical grounds.

First we have verse 4:34 which allows us to beat our wives. I take moral issue with this. Then We have the NUMEROUS verses about being able to have sexual relations with "those whom our right hands possess". Not only does this condone slavery but it also condones female sex slaves that are gained through war. God condones slavery and having sex with female captives?

The next verse I have issue with are verses that seem to serve the interest of Muhammad and don't seem too relevant for the believers.  The seemingly self-serving verses where I can see the biases of a 7th century man seeping through. If this is the direct word of God, the universal message from God to ALL humans of ALL time periods, then that means every single letter of this revelation is crucial to mankind's salvation.

So why in the world do I find myself reading rules about when I go to the Prophet's house I should not annoy him and I should leave as soon as I'm finished with my business, I cannot look at his wives unless from behind a veil, nobody can marry his wives after he dies, and he is allowed more wives than other believers (33:50-33:53). These are the signs of a cult. These "revelations" seem to directly benefit Muhammad and seem somewhat petty for an omniscient God to be revealing to all mankind.

Now finally we have one of the verses of the sword. Verse 9:29. My issue with how we reconcile these verses is people always tell me I'm reading out of context. That I need the historical context in which Muhammad was at war with the tribes of Bani Israel and so it doesn't apply to me anymore.

if this verse applies to only single point in human history, and the Qur'an is God's revelation for ALL mankind of ALL times then why is it even there?

Why would God give us verses He doesn't want us to follow? Who chooses which verses should still be followed and which ones should be discarded and applied to only the believers of Muhammad's time?

[GODsubmitter]

The Qur'an is both beautiful, powerful, eloquent, appealing, profound, and seductive. The one word I wish I could use to describe it is "true".

I won't get into a super detailed post but today I came to the conclusion that the Qur'an, the absolute crux of my faith, is not the divine word of God. I converted 3 years ago from a family with no Muslims. I read the Qur'an, fasted, and prayed. I loved everything about Islam and it was the most beautiful thing to happen to me. My life turned around and my way of thinking changed. I've had doubts every once in a while but never substantial ones. Only now have I truly sought to look at the Qur'an objectively and whether or not a perfect God sent this book as a message for all mankind for all time.

It comes after deep study and logical thought. I basically started feeling true doubt about a month ago. I kept going back to the source of my faith which is the Qur'an. I would always laugh derisively of how Christians put so much stock in the Bible when it is clearly full of contradiction and it is illogical so I knew I had to put my own scripture under the magnifying glass.

I don't even know if Christians care if some of the Bible is wrong but the crux of Qur'anic authority and relevance is that the Qur'an is the DIRECT WORD OF GOD. Every single verse is a miracle! Every single letter was uttered by the Divine. That means if even one LETTER of this book disagrees with science, reality, logic, or human reason then I must question the entirety of the revelation.

So I scoured the Qur'an for contradiction, immorality, and anything that would suggest that a being less than perfect created it. I used my own translation of the Qur'an, online testimonies, online videos, and different translations and found several verses which simply don't reconcile with my logic, reason, and rationality as a human being. These verses do NOT come from a perfect God and therefore I must reject the revelation's claim to divinity.

By comparing the ATTRIBUTES of God laid out by the Qur'an and contrasting it with the realities of the actual revelation and its message I can not honestly say that this book is from God. Despite how much I want to believe that the Qur'an and Islam are true, I must be honest with myself.

It truly pains me to say that I must now as a seeker of truth, renounce my faith in the divinity of the Qur'an this day.

Thank you so much for your honest and sincere post!
I share the same feeling, and am quite near to the same conclusion as yours.
I come from Jewish-Christian background, without any Muslim in my broadest family, and  I accepted wholeheartedly The Quran and Islam, without any prejudices and foreknowledge, three years ago.
I did five ritual contact prayers as taught by Mr Rashad Khalifa, PhD, without amiss, gave zakats and fasted the Ramadan properly et al...
Read many translations, started learning Arabic etc, etc
Accepted the Quran-Only Community as my benchmark.
Will not bore anybody with my personal experiences, autobiographies are so boring.
When joined this Forum full of hope, the first result was the destruction of any delusional religious stance, which I consider good.
The second result was sheer disgust at how many contradictions, and petty ego-fights in threads, about core issues, brought me to almost full contempt and indifference. I came to similar conclusions as yourself about discrepancies and contradictions in the core "Quranic" messages.
The last result of my pondering the whole Islam business is quite similar to yours, as I am almost convinced that the Quran is not divine, but the Torah, the sage Talmud and intriguing Kabbalah are much more interesting, intelligent and enlightening, in spite of being humanly created, not to mention Christianity as emotionally much more challenging and enriching.
I tend to agree with the great sage Maimonides (who wrote almost all his works in Arabic and knew Quran thru and thru) that God (Jews) created Christianity and Islam to bring low, primitive, illiterate people to the idea of God.
Actually I always wondered why highly intelligent Jewish theologians never had a good opinion of the Quran, and never fully accepted it. They just knew too well what was it all about...
There are so, so many proofs, and documents, witnessing the real origin and making of Islam to be mentioned here. I posted some of them elsewhere on this Forum.
Anyway, I am glad I read your post, and I am also very near to conclude my bizarre escapade to Islam pretty soon.
Thank you for your attention.

[GODsubmitter]

Your last post brother is simply brilliant!

Have not read something so honest and so clear about this issue for a long, long time!

Thank you.

I share all of it fully, and my doubts are as yours completely.

[mmkhan]

The Qur'an is both beautiful, powerful, eloquent, appealing, profound, and seductive. The one word I wish I could use to describe it is "true".

I won't get into a super detailed post but today I came to the conclusion that the Qur'an, the absolute crux of my faith, is not the divine word of God. I converted 3 years ago from a family with no Muslims. I read the Qur'an, fasted, and prayed. I loved everything about Islam and it was the most beautiful thing to happen to me. My life turned around and my way of thinking changed. I've had doubts every once in a while but never substantial ones. Only now have I truly sought to look at the Qur'an objectively and whether or not a perfect God sent this book as a message for all mankind for all time.

It comes after deep study and logical thought. I basically started feeling true doubt about a month ago. I kept going back to the source of my faith which is the Qur'an. I would always laugh derisively of how Christians put so much stock in the Bible when it is clearly full of contradiction and it is illogical so I knew I had to put my own scripture under the magnifying glass.

I don't even know if Christians care if some of the Bible is wrong but the crux of Qur'anic authority and relevance is that the Qur'an is the DIRECT WORD OF GOD. Every single verse is a miracle! Every single letter was uttered by the Divine. That means if even one LETTER of this book disagrees with science, reality, logic, or human reason then I must question the entirety of the revelation.

So I scoured the Qur'an for contradiction, immorality, and anything that would suggest that a being less than perfect created it. I used my own translation of the Qur'an, online testimonies, online videos, and different translations and found several verses which simply don't reconcile with my logic, reason, and rationality as a human being. These verses do NOT come from a perfect God and therefore I must reject the revelation's claim to divinity.

By comparing the ATTRIBUTES of God laid out by the Qur'an and contrasting it with the realities of the actual revelation and its message I can not honestly say that this book is from God. Despite how much I want to believe that the Qur'an and Islam are true, I must be honest with myself.

It truly pains me to say that I must now as a seeker of truth, renounce my faith in the divinity of the Qur'an this day.

This is the result of your dream bro.


mmkhan

[Faithful-Jinn]

This is the result of your dream bro.


mmkhan

Excellent argument. Thank you for your solid evidence and well thought out argument.


Edit

Your last post brother is simply brilliant!

Have not read something so honest and so clear about this issue for a long, long time!

Thank you.

I share all of it fully, and my doubts are as yours completely.

Thank you brother. I must admit I am extremely surprised to find that someone here actually agreed with me or felt the same way as me. I expected only skepticism. Good luck on your journey. The thing for me was that I had to accept I arrived at my current state of belief in a search for truth. I must put my search for truth before all things.

If God is truth then I pray that He guides me to Himself. If God is not truth then I must continue my search elsewhere.

I was attracted to Islam initially because I thought it was based on rationale and logic and reasoning and welcomed a monotheistic world view that could stand the test of critical thinking and deep criticism. Only when I had the COURAGE to face my beliefs and question the validity of why I believed what I believed did I overcome the barriers blocking my way to truth.

[mmkhan]

First seeming contradiction is the creation of the universe one. Several verses say the universe was made in 6 days or 6 periods or 6 eras or what have you.

But verse 41:9-12 adds the days up to 8. It took 2 days to create earth, 4 days to fill it up, and another 2 days to create the heavens.

I will try to answer your post by my TheCreator's permission, inshaAllah.

Problem with you brother is you are solely based on translation. 41:9-10 talks about "earth" only, making of it is 2 days [41:9], then keeping mountains in it and other things, all in 4 days [including making or earth]. Then 41:12 says 2 days for making of heavens and other thing in it [if you notice, no other aayaat is added for other things done in heavens, everything took only two days including its making unlike earth].

Hence only 6 days in all. If you imagine there are not even small contradictions, how come such a big contradiction is left out? You may understand it if you take a close look.

Next is the verses about the Christians and the Jews. We have verses saying that they can go to paradise(2:62, 5:69) and then we have verses saying not to take them as friends(5:51). What sense does this make? Furthermore we have a verse saying to slay them(9:29).

Again problem with your understanding. You don't see the words used in AlQuraan, you took it as general understanding. 2:62 and 5:69 never said that Christians and Jews go to paradise. And also you missed all three conditions, 1) have to believe in Allah, 2) believe in hereafter 3) do corrected deeds, then their reward will be with their Lord and they will not fear nor they grieve. Where is paradise came in between?

9:29 asked you to slay Christians and Jews? Very well translated bro. Check again.

Next, the Qur'an says that all good is from Allah and all evil is from ourselves right after it just told us that all good that befalls us is by Allah's command (4:78,79). I argued this with a companion the other day and he didn't believe me until I showed him the verse. When I voiced my concern he simply said to ask someone of knowledge.

Again! You did not look at AlQuraan or its words used properly. Please look at Arabic words because "you" is used for singular as well as plural in English, this is a problem of English language not a problem of AlQuraan.

4:78 says whatever evil comes to THEM [not ourselves as you wrote above] is from their hands, and everything good is from Allah.

4:79 says whatever good comes to YOU [singular, reader who study AlQuraan] is from Allah and whatever evil comes to you is from your own hands [as Allah never give any evil to his true servants].

The Qur'an says that he creates man from a clot (of blood?) but that goes against science.

Aayat needed!

Anyways, please check 22:5 and compare it so called science.

The Qur'an says in 54:1 that the moon was cleft asunder. I guess the way to explain this is that it is a figurative not a literal verse. Quite convenient.

Again translation problem. Please check 13:34, 19:90 [please not another word for heaven, also translated same], 59:4.

The biggest problem I have is a logical concept. God says in the Qur'an that NOBODY believes except by His will (10:100)

He goes on in the Qur'an several times to say that He hardens peoples hearts against belief and guides to Himself whom He wills and misguides others(16:93).

True, FINALLY God is the One who guides or misguides whom He wills. This is a big [not problem] but concept you have to understand. God is the final channel for everything. Every deed has to get approval from God, either be it good or bad. If a person decides to get away from the path of Allah, until and unless Allah approves it, he is no way can get away from His path and vice versa.

Hence Allah is the one who guides or misguides whom He will, if He don't approve, the case gets back to normal. And He always try to protect and try to keep His servants on track. But people chose their way by force.

Hope you understand what I am saying.

Now why would an all-Merciful and all-Powerful God punish someone who He Himself has decreed should not believe in Him? This makes no logical sense.

This is also a big concept. I agree, this makes no logical sense, but it is not Allah who punishes you but it is you who put yourself in punishments.

We are in a huge program, designed by Allah, based on formulas. Everything is on your finger tips, clearly saying if you press this button, it will delete your files, if you press this button, it will format your hard disk, if you press this button, virus spread over all your contacts, etc.

Same way for goods, if you press this button, your system gets cleaned from viruses, if you press this button, all unnecessary files will be deleted from your hard disk, etc. etc.

Now its your choice to click what buttons you like, if you click wrong buttons knowingly, and if it effects your system, how can you blame Allah?

For example: A Calculator based of formulas. If you click willingly 2 + 2 and love to get 5, you are not gonna get it, how much you try. This is how Allah system works. Everyone has the program on their finger tips and all are given free will to click what they want. So, please don't blame my and your TheCreator.

Your rest of the post also having problem with translations or your understanding. Please check or discuss in detail.


May Allah protect us and increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path 
mmKhan

[Imanajib]

I must comment here, for I too have doubts about the Quran. However, I ABSOLUTELY do beleive it was sent down by God, as well as the Torah and the Gospel. But..... MAN got a hold of it, altered it, added, and subtracted to fit their liking.
I think the Quran is the less altered holy book because it was verbaly being passed.
I don't have the verse with me now, I beleive it's under "Mohamad", but when I was reading it, I felt it was added. And some other contradicting verses about killing and befriending jews and christians in one part says don't befriend them, another says it's ok.

I'm not going to get into that, but my point is, IT IS GODS WORD! Unfortunately, I believe it's altered and one day I wil post my findings and see what everyone else has to say.

Salam