I renounced my faith in the divinity of the Qur'an today

[Faithful-Jinn]

The Qur'an is both beautiful, powerful, eloquent, appealing, profound, and seductive. The one word I wish I could use to describe it is "true".

I won't get into a super detailed post but today I came to the conclusion that the Qur'an, the absolute crux of my faith, is not the divine word of God. I converted 3 years ago from a family with no Muslims. I read the Qur'an, fasted, and prayed. I loved everything about Islam and it was the most beautiful thing to happen to me. My life turned around and my way of thinking changed. I've had doubts every once in a while but never substantial ones. Only now have I truly sought to look at the Qur'an objectively and whether or not a perfect God sent this book as a message for all mankind for all time.

It comes after deep study and logical thought. I basically started feeling true doubt about a month ago. I kept going back to the source of my faith which is the Qur'an. I would always laugh derisively of how Christians put so much stock in the Bible when it is clearly full of contradiction and it is illogical so I knew I had to put my own scripture under the magnifying glass.

I don't even know if Christians care if some of the Bible is wrong but the crux of Qur'anic authority and relevance is that the Qur'an is the DIRECT WORD OF GOD. Every single verse is a miracle! Every single letter was uttered by the Divine. That means if even one LETTER of this book disagrees with science, reality, logic, or human reason then I must question the entirety of the revelation.

So I scoured the Qur'an for contradiction, immorality, and anything that would suggest that a being less than perfect created it. I used my own translation of the Qur'an, online testimonies, online videos, and different translations and found several verses which simply don't reconcile with my logic, reason, and rationality as a human being. These verses do NOT come from a perfect God and therefore I must reject the revelation's claim to divinity.

By comparing the ATTRIBUTES of God laid out by the Qur'an and contrasting it with the realities of the actual revelation and its message I can not honestly say that this book is from God. Despite how much I want to believe that the Qur'an and Islam are true, I must be honest with myself.

It truly pains me to say that I must now as a seeker of truth, renounce my faith in the divinity of the Qur'an this day.

[Edip Yuksel]

I think your action is more consistent than of those who give lip service to the Quran and then betray many of its commandments by following hearsay stories, sectarian jurisprudence and even mocking and fighting against its prophetic numerical miracle.

Personally, I also have some problems with some of the verses of the Quran, but contrary to your reaction, I am forced to accept them because of the philosophical and scientific evidences, objective facts, and also because of my personal experience.

You appear to be an honest person, a person who seeks the truth. Mashallah! But, I also know that you are absolutely wrong in your judgment. Unfortunately, I cannot write too long since I am busy with writing too many thing.

But, if you wish to discuss this issue with me on the phone or via Skype, I would be glad to talk to you. You may send me a private message with your phone number and the best time you reach you.

Peace,
Edip

[Faithful-Jinn]

Salam,

I appreciate the offer Edip. I would like to do a skype session and discuss some of the reasons behind my skepticism. It is not only certain verses of the Qur'an but attribute of a perfect God that I find do not agree with my human reason. I don't believe a perfect God would send down a revelation for all mankind for all times that has so much seeming contradiction and ambiguity and confusion.

I had to open up the possibility that this book came not from God but from man. I will send you a PM tomorrow and perhaps we can discuss further.

May I ask what verses of the Qur'an you personally have an issue with?

[youssef4342]

Are you focusing on the discrepancies between translations/views?Please do Tell us about what verses you have problems with that we ourselves may get something out of it.

Think: If the Quran is not from God, how could a man during the 7th century compile such a book? let me tell you, during the 7th century, it would have taken you decades just to study Judeo-Christian Scriptures and writings.... and you would have had to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek etc. as there was no formal Arabic Translations back then.
It is not conceivable for a Man to learn and compose such a book given a lifetime of a human, given the amount of study one has to do-- in order to comprehend the material in different languages, translate it into Arabic, recompose into another book, add a rhythmic touch, carrying out its commands, and persevering against persecution from neighboring religious groups...
why would anyone do that for?

Also, Did you note how many things in the Quran that no one would have known during the time of it's revelation... Big Bang theory & Big Crunch theory, Expansion of the universe, Husband determines baby's gender....

Moreover, about the "contraditcions" of the bible. Have you searched for refutations of these contradictions? Many of the would be contradictions would deal with the count of number of things between two different books (like kings and Chronicals). For one, some of the discrepancies could be refuted, for two, we know that these books would be by Men, not By God. They were like History books, They are different from let's say the commands in the Torah like eye for an eye, which would be from God, as confirmed in the Quran.

again, please do Tell us about Which verses you have problems with that we ourselves may get something out of it. Thank you.

[Faithful-Jinn]

Are you focusing on the discrepancies between translations/views?Please do Tell us about what verses you have problems with that we ourselves may get something out of it.

Think: If the Quran is not from God, how could a man during the 7th century compile such a book? let me tell you, during the 7th century, it would have taken you decades just to study Judeo-Christian Scriptures and writings.... and you would have had to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek etc. as there was no formal Arabic Translations back then.
It is not conceivable for a Man to learn and compose such a book given a lifetime of a human, given the amount of study one has to do-- in order to comprehend the material in different languages, translate it into Arabic, recompose into another book, add a rhythmic touch, carrying out its commands, and persevering against persecution from neighboring religious groups...
why would anyone do that for?

Also, Did you note how many things in the Quran that no one would have known during the time of it's revelation... Big Bang theory & Big Crunch theory, Expansion of the universe, Husband determines baby's gender....

Moreover, about the "contraditcions" of the bible. Have you searched for refutations of these contradictions? Many of the would be contradictions would deal with the count of number of things between two different books (like kings and Chronicals). For one, some of the discrepancies could be refuted, for two, we know that these books would be by Men, not By God. They were like History books, They are different from let's say the commands in the Torah like eye for an eye, which would be from God, as confirmed in the Quran.

again, please do Tell us about Which verses you have problems with that we ourselves may get something out of it. Thank you.

I'm focusing on the Qur'an as a whole and its own claims to divinity. I'm focusing on the morality it preaches as well as the logic and reason of its view on God and His attributes. It's more than just finding contradiction.

And I don't think it would take intense study to throw together the myths of the Bible and mix it into the Qur'an. There were Arab Jews/Christians during that time I believe and I also believe that many of the Arabs knew of the stories.

I'm not ready to write a long speel tonight about my issues with the Qur'an but I'll attempt to do so tomorrow.

The bottom line is I don't see why an omniscient God would make such a controversial and divisive revelation. Three Abrahamic faiths worship the same God and all of us fighting amongst ourselves and within our own religions. The sunnis claim that you can't even understand the Qur'an without being an Arabic speaker. There is nothing universal about that.

If people can only believe if God wills them to believe (10.100) why would He then punish people who were destined to disbelieve by His own command? The believers would look at my skepticism and say I have a disease in my heart. If that is true then God put it there.

I feel like this faith is an enemy of knowledge, questioning, logic, and critical thinking (5.101). I should be able to question it and become a stronger Muslim for it but right now I'm not finding God in the Qur'an like I used to. It feels like a system meant only to propagate itself, dissuade critical thinking and deviation, and punish those who go against the established norms.

The only thing I can think of that truly makes me doubt whether I'm right or not is I don't think any man is smart enough or devious enough to create a way to control and influence so many human beings.

[Philosopher]

well since your not sharing which verses make u question its validity, i can only say i pray you come to your senses

[Faithful-Jinn]

well since your not sharing which verses make u question its validity, i can only say i pray you come to your senses

I'm not ready to write a long speel tonight about my issues with the Qur'an but I'll attempt to do so tomorrow.

Apparently you lack reading comprehension skills. I said I didn't feel like writing a long post tonight criticizing the verses I take issue with. Furthermore you couldn't respond to any of my doubts that didn't involve a specific verse but logical skepticisms.

Despite your faith in Qur'an it seems I'm not the only one Allah has made senseless.

[357]

Apparently you lack reading comprehension skills. I said I didn't feel like writing a long post tonight criticizing the verses I take issue with. Furthermore you couldn't respond to any of my doubts that didn't involve a specific verse but logical skepticisms.

Despite your faith in Qur'an it seems I'm not the only one Allah has made senseless.

Books are written by men for improvement advancement-its all for a great cause, and so they are devine. But you just need to look to the human being and other living things -so complicated and advanced, evolved over billions of years by a forces or forces - it is these that we should know of and consider devine.

So much life on earth , something has brought it about , force or forces, what ever they or it , you need to know them for they are constructive , and not destructive.

[nevashiva]

The only thing I can think of that truly makes me doubt whether I'm right or not is I don't think any man is smart enough or devious enough to create a way to control and influence so many human beings.

Yeah that is my main reason in believing that revelations are just too fancy to be a 'brainwashing utensil' and just that....

I don't know what to say...I can't even get myself to *discourage* you, just make sure you have read it well before moving on is all I can say.. for the knowledge if nothing else....I plan to read all the holy books...maybe just maybe...God is a collective of all those puzzles out there.....

[johan]

I'm focusing on the Qur'an as a whole and its own claims to divinity. I'm focusing on the morality it preaches as well as the logic and reason of its view on God and His attributes. It's more than just finding contradiction.

Salam Faithful-Jinn,
I have a feeling that you have tended to look at Allah SWT from the darker side pov..
I wish that you'd concentrate more on his brighter side, cuz His love outweighs anything else..

And I don't think it would take intense study to throw together the myths of the Bible and mix it into the Qur'an. There were Arab Jews/Christians during that time I believe and I also believe that many of the Arabs knew of the stories.

truth has been around since ages ago, but disinfo was also there to stay..
the problem is how was he able to filter so many disinfos without some sort of divine guidance?

I'm not ready to write a long speel tonight about my issues with the Qur'an but I'll attempt to do so tomorrow.

i hope by then your mind rests to the truth that Allah is the Most Merciful

The bottom line is I don't see why an omniscient God would make such a controversial and divisive revelation. Three Abrahamic faiths worship the same God and all of us fighting amongst ourselves and within our own religions. The sunnis claim that you can't even understand the Qur'an without being an Arabic speaker. There is nothing universal about that.

it could have been other than in arabic, but then again the arabs would have complained why hadn't it be in arabic..
the point is language is not the barrier..
it's the mindset, and the mindset in a universal language higher than any human known language..

If people can only believe if God wills them to believe (10.100) why would He then punish people who were destined to disbelieve by His own command? The believers would look at my skepticism and say I have a disease in my heart. If that is true then God put it there.

if only you'd blame more on yourself than God..
i have an analogy, say you're a magnet of 1T and you were given a choice of moving a metal to the N or to S
at some point in time that choice is yours to make alone, but at other times God turns on His own magnet of 10T pulling to S
are you to blame for what God's action effected you?
well..
what if you were only responsible for those times where the choice is yours only to make and was not intervened by Allah?
when would that be?
consider that the eye can only capture images only at a certain fraction of a second say 40 fps, then those moments are your domain of responsibility;
consider that another (not necessarily Divine, say angelic) eye have higher frames per second say 10000000fps so that 9999960 frames other than what you saw was acted upon it in a force other then your force of 10T to N without you noticing it..
you'll probably be surprised by the outcome..

I feel like this faith is an enemy of knowledge, questioning, logic, and critical thinking (5.101). I should be able to question it and become a stronger Muslim for it but right now I'm not finding God in the Qur'an like I used to. It feels like a system meant only to propagate itself, dissuade critical thinking and deviation, and punish those who go against the established norms.

When does one need to stop questioning Allah SWT for definitive divine revelations, I think that's a more appropriate and reasonable question?
Most of the times this world is just too complicated for us to fathom..
We need to admit that there are things that we just can't yet understand, and would require more than a lifetime to fathom it's complexity
and if we question Allah SWT seeking for definitive answers from Him by way of divine revelation and not by our own way of exploration we might end up, based on our lack of the wholeness of knowledge, disbelieving..
I think that He would prefer to embed riddles rather than frontal declaration that would put us in a state of disbelief..
this is not the state that God want us to be in..
He doesn't want to put us in a position that we will be in dissonance with the fundamental laws of nature..
the laws that says "the disbelievers will have miserable life here and here after"

IMHO, it's because either you resonate in the same Most High "frequency", or you be distorted, dissolved and shattered by the Most High "frequency"..

The only thing I can think of that truly makes me doubt whether I'm right or not is I don't think any man is smart enough or devious enough to create a way to control and influence so many human beings.

I would definitely agree with you..
And I think that is why Allah SWT is not anything like that of His creation..

wallahua3lam