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Excellent explanation of the word Salat? = Sol-laa!

Started by GODsubmitter, July 12, 2012, 10:08:48 PM

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GODsubmitter

God has no Religion!

God is running everything.

Peace begins with me.

Wakas

peace/salaam,

I like this thread:

Aidid's errors
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7402.0

It's an oldie, but a goodie.

Here is a statement: no-one who knows Arabic on this forum considers Aidid's work credible.
Here is the question: coincidence?

All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

GODsubmitter

peace

It would be much better if you could ADD something positive to the line of his statement, instead of posting immediately a contrary thread, and inseminating more confusion, AGAIN!

By the way, it is not true that your Arab-speaking folk doesn't consider Aidid's work credible!

Examples:
EDIP (the guy who invented  a long finger to Eurropeans) :
"Aidid asserts that SaLLY means not prayer, but commitment. There is some truth in this statement. The word SaLLY, when it is not used together with the verb IQaMa, usually means support and encouragement. For instance, I translated the verse 74:43 in my Turkish translation, Mesaj: ?They will say: ?We did not support??. Similarly I translated the verse 75:31 in Mesaj: ?He neither accepted the truth, nor he supported.? I also translated the word Salla to mean support in verses 2:157; 9:99,103; and 33:43,56. Furthermore, I agree with Aidid that in verse 5:106 the word Salla may not mean the salaat ritual."

"MH":
Again Edip's 'rebutal' text, well i think that his argument regarding salat as ritual has no SUPPORT in the Book. Can he point clearly to the detailed ritual in the Book. He mentions the ablution, can ablution as a 'way-in' to the 'ritual' salat be more important of the ritual itself and that the ritual does not desrve that detailed descreption as its ablution?
He accepts that the word has the meaning of support but whe it is has 'aqim' it becomes a ritual!? CAn he say WHY?
The word 'aqim' simply means maintain, uphold, establish..etc. What is the basis in teh Book for such a claim that if there is maintain, uphold, or establish then it is a ritual?"

(I left bad English, and orthographic errors there, as it is)

So, I am quite fed up with endless discussions on this Forum about the meanings of Arab words...

If God wanted THAT result, for Arabs to brainwash themselves, and the rest of humanity with no idea of Arabic language to get only wrong translations and bad press, than that God is a provincial backward low-class moron with self-inflated ego and a power complex! In short, an idiot...

And, by the way, did you watch the video actually?
God has no Religion!

God is running everything.

Peace begins with me.

Wakas

peace,

Ahh, so if someone mentions one point they agree with from an entire work, suddenly the work is "credible"?

If so, I can see why you like Aidid's work.


I have read his book, so I didn't feel the need to watch the videos.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

GODsubmitter

The video is not entirely based on Aidid's book! There is more information to it.

I am just amazed how some people on this Forum are perfectly incapable to objectively examine data.

Besides, I never said that I like Aidid's work!
Where do you get in general your presumptions from?
God has no Religion!

God is running everything.

Peace begins with me.

mmkhan

Salaam brother GodSubmitter,

I respect work of Aidid Safar but I personally don't agree on what they said about "Salaat".

He should discuss on Arabic word instead of pointing mistakes in transliteration? This is of no use. It is not important really how you transliterate any Arabic AlQuraanic word into another language. Either you write Salaat or Sol-laa or Sol-laat or Sol-loo or Salat it has nothing to do with he word in Arabic. We are using it just to understand or to refer an Arabic word. That's it.

Please check the following thread, inshaAllah it may help you understand root of Salaat. Root has been discussed compare to other words used in AlQuraan on same weight. Please check...

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602945.msg284741#msg284741


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path.  :pr
mmKhan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

GODsubmitter

Thank you for your answer @mmkhan, but I am just fed up with all those ramifications of roots and words, and cannot believe that God had so much difficulty in expressing Himself...
I am just not interested in such a schizophrenic message from such a disordered and illiterate a god.

Excuse me gentlemen, I just need to put some order in my Quran "context" before dismissing the whole thing completely as a perfect fraud, with, or without the 19 miracle!
God has no Religion!

God is running everything.

Peace begins with me.

mmkhan

Quote from: GODsubmitter on July 13, 2012, 12:49:43 PM
Thank you for your answer @mmkhan, but I am just fed up with all those ramifications of roots and words, and cannot believe that God had so much difficulty in expressing Himself...
I am just not interested in such a schizophrenic message from such a disordered and illiterate a god.

Excuse me gentlemen, I just need to put some order in my Quran "context" before dismissing the whole thing completely as a perfect fraud, with, or without the 19 miracle!

You are welcome bro,

You are absolutely free to chose your way.

But I just wanted to make it clear that God has no difficulty in expressing Himself, but these hurdles has been kept in AlQuraan to score your points. Who crossed more hurdles successively, he scores the most. That's simple it is.


mmKhan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

GODsubmitter

Huh? God playing some games?
Scores needed?

Is that how he establishes his universal message for all humanity and for all times?

Strange... hurdles... scores...

???

And of course I am free to make my choice, do not need a permission from you or anybody else.
No need to be so presumptuous, Mister.
God has no Religion!

God is running everything.

Peace begins with me.

mmkhan


I am no one to give you permission. You took it wrong bro.

Yes, I put forward my understanding about hurdles and scores... this is my personal understanding, and it helps me always.

Finally,

10:41 وَ اِنۡ کَذَّبُوۡکَ فَقُلۡ لِّیۡ عَمَلِیۡ وَ لَکُمۡ عَمَلُکُمۡ ۚ اَنۡتُمۡ بَرِیۡٓـــُٔوۡنَ مِمَّاۤ اَعۡمَلُ وَ اَنَا بَرِیۡٓءٌ مِّمَّا تَعۡمَلُوۡنَ
10:41 And if they deny you, then say, "For me are my deeds, and for you are your deeds. You are disassociated from what I do, and I am disassociated from what you do."


Good luck brother,
mmKhan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51