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Noon waalqalami

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #710 on: May 27, 2019, 04:00:43 PM »
Why you overlook - reject straight forward order:

وَإِن كَانَتْ وَٟحِدَةٙ فَلَـهَا ٱلنِّصْفُۚ

1. again see video 1/2 is in relation to females:male ratio
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

2. try to allocate: 1 daughter, husband, parents (i.e. no son?)

1/2 daughter
? mother (4:11)
? father 
? husband (4:12)




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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #711 on: May 27, 2019, 04:23:02 PM »
1. again see video 1/2 is in relation to females:male ratio
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

2. try to allocate: 1 daughter, husband, parents (i.e. no son?)

1/2 daughter
? mother (4:11)
? father 
? husband (4:12)

What you see in these words? Do you find any male in it? Forget that so called Dr. See with your own eyes.


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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #712 on: May 27, 2019, 04:47:55 PM »
What you see in these words? Do you find any male in it? Forget that so called Dr. See with your own eyes.

yes in context 4:11 ratios given 2, 3+, and 1 female
they cannot be solitary no instruction for exactly two!

your erroneous reading has 1,000+ contradictions!
everyone can see you are afraid to allocate anything!
try to allocate simple mother, father, two daughters?

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #713 on: May 28, 2019, 04:24:50 AM »
Peace everyone, want to post a final summary leaving this site need to focus on other things and if anyone needs clarification, they can private message me. Hopefully this helps since inheritance is among the top critique of the book along with wife beating, marriage to underage girls, etc., and although like Thomas Jefferson “I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know” – don’t want to be the only one who understands inheritance which the wording is miraculously precise and forces one to look at each word carefully cross-reference the entire book otherwise math contradicts.

Clearly walad means born or offspring or child
http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm Waw-Lam-Dal = to beget, give birth.

See context 6:100-101 mentions attributing banina/sons wabanatin/and daughters ... how being to him waladun/offspring?

To translate as son ignorantly implies having daughters e.g. 53:19-20 l-lata (the goddess) wal-uza and manat

Whereas everyone correctly translates:
2:233 not made to suffer mother biwaladiha/in (due to) offspring/child hers
and not father to him biwaladihi/in (due to) offspring/child his


31:33 O you the humankind heeds ye of lord yours and fears ye of day of not availed parent about waladihi/offspring his

The reason all translations on this topic are contradictory, inconsistent, parroting mistakes by those 1,300 years ago when they hear the words without thinking wrongly apply e.g. cutting off hands of thieves, marrying underage girls, stoning people, beating wives, one dumb thing after another blindly following those ignorant from the past who could not comprehend anything and when asked  simple questions avoid, and distract. The reason the missionaries are trouncing them especially on inheritance verses causing believers to doubt.

This video explains 4:11 logical nested loop revolves around females: male ratios given 2, 3+, and 1 female
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

Otherwise hundreds of contradictions in distributions!
Females cannot be solitary, no instruction for exactly two?
Try to allocate mother, father, spouse, and two daughters?
They erroneous translate over two and say it also includes two?
They erroneous translate exactly two say it includes 3+ (4:176)?

Note: Dr. Shahrour errs in 4:11 saying that the two females get 2/3 (i.e. 1/3 each) and 1/3 male 1:1 ratio
This contradicts kalala case 4:176 cannot apply as above to the male equal share the two females when 3+
This is not possible and needs to be in the case of 3 females 1/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5 male, see distributions below

4:11 applies only when mixed children while single gender i.e. solitary son/s or daughter/s always variable get the remainder after parents and/or spouses; likewise, any sole heir always gets the whole e.g. parent, spouse, offspring/child (son/s, daughter/s), sibling (brother/s, sister/s), etc. and in "all cases" the shares always equal exactly 1 and never above/under!

4:12 use for single gender sibling/s (brother/s OR sister/s), 1/3 max with parent/s applies also to 4:176 mixed gender siblings.

4:11 instructed you the god in offspring yours
(case 2 females) to the male similitude apportion the two females
(case 3+ females) so if are womenfolk over two females so for them 2/3
(case 1 female) and if be she one so for her the half (1/2)



children and parents
   1 daug   son      mother   fath      ratio   
     1/3      1/3         1/6      1/6       1:1       1x
     5/12     5/12        1/6    .......      1:1       1x
     5/12     5/12      .......     1/6       1:1       1x
     1/2      1/2       .......   .......      1:1       1x
     2/3    .......        1/6      1/6             
     5/6    .......        1/6    .......            
     5/6    .......      .......     1/6             
   .......     2/3         1/6      1/6             
   .......     5/6         1/6    .......            
   .......     5/6       .......     1/6             
                           
   2 daug   son      mother   fath      ratio   
     1/3      1/3         1/6      1/6       1:2       2x
     5/12     5/12        1/6    .......      1:2       2x
     5/12     5/12      .......     1/6       1:2       2x
     1/2      1/2       .......   .......      1:2       2x
     2/3    .......        1/6      1/6             
     5/6    .......        1/6    .......            
     5/6    .......      .......     1/6             
   .......     2/3         1/6      1/6             
   .......     5/6         1/6    .......            
   .......     5/6       .......     1/6             
                           
   3 daug   son      mother   fath      ratio   
     4/9      2/9         1/6      1/6       2:3       2.5x
     5/9      5/18        1/6    .......      2:3       2.5x
     5/9      5/18      .......     1/6       2:3       2.5x
     2/3      1/3       .......   .......      2:3       2.5x
     2/3    .......        1/6      1/6             
     5/6    .......        1/6    .......            
     5/6    .......      .......     1/6             
   .......     2/3         1/6      1/6             
   .......     5/6         1/6    .......            
   .......     5/6       .......     1/6             
                           
   4 daug   son      mother   fath      ratio   
     4/9      2/9         1/6      1/6       1:2       2x
     5/9      5/18        1/6    .......      1:2       2x
     5/9      5/18      .......     1/6       1:2       2x
     2/3      1/3       .......   .......      1:2       2x
     2/3    .......        1/6      1/6             
     5/6    .......        1/6    .......            
     5/6    .......      .......     1/6             
   .......     2/3         1/6      1/6             
   .......     5/6         1/6    .......            
   .......     5/6       .......     1/6             
                           
   5 daug   son      mother   fath      ratio   
     4/9      2/9         1/6      1/6       2:5       2.5x
     5/9      5/18        1/6    .......      2:5       2.5x
     5/9      5/18      .......     1/6       2:5       2.5x
     2/3      1/3       .......   .......      2:5       2.5x
     2/3    .......        1/6      1/6             
     5/6    .......        1/6    .......            
     5/6    .......      .......     1/6             
   .......     2/3         1/6      1/6             
   .......     5/6         1/6    .......            
   .......     5/6       .......     1/6             
                           
   6 daug   son      mother   fath      ratio   
     4/9      2/9         1/6      1/6       1:3       3x
     5/9      5/18        1/6    .......      1:3       3x
     5/9      5/18      .......     1/6       1:3       3x
     2/3      1/3       .......   .......      1:3       3x
     2/3    .......        1/6      1/6             
     5/6    .......        1/6    .......            
     5/6    .......      .......     1/6             
   .......     2/3         1/6      1/6             
   .......     5/6         1/6    .......            
   .......     5/6       .......     1/6             

wife
   1 daug   son      wife   mother   fath      ratio   
    13/48    13/48        1/8      1/6      1/6       1:1      1.0x
    17/48    17/48        1/8      1/6    .......      1:1      1.0x
    17/48    17/48        1/8    .......     1/6       1:1      1.0x
     7/16     7/16        1/8    .......   .......      1:1      1.0x
    13/24   .......        1/8      1/6      1/6             
    17/24   .......        1/8      1/6    .......            
    17/24   .......        1/8    .......     1/6             
     7/8    .......        1/8    .......   .......            
   .......    13/24        1/8      1/6      1/6             
   .......    17/24        1/8      1/6    .......            
   .......    17/24        1/8    .......     1/6             
   .......     7/8         1/8                   
                               
   2 daug   son      wife   mother   fath      ratio   
    13/48    13/48        1/8      1/6      1/6       1:2      2.0x
    17/48    17/48        1/8      1/6    .......      1:2      2.0x
    17/48    17/48        1/8    .......     1/6       1:2      2.0x
     7/16     7/16        1/8    .......   .......      1:2      2.0x
    13/24   .......        1/8      1/6      1/6             
    17/24   .......        1/8      1/6    .......            
    17/24   .......        1/8    .......     1/6             
     7/8    .......        1/8    .......   .......            
                               
   3 daug   son      wife   mother   fath      ratio   
    13/36    13/72        1/8      1/6      1/6       2:3      1.5x
    17/36    17/72        1/8      1/6    .......      2:3      1.5x
    17/36    17/72        1/8    .......     1/6       2:3      1.5x
     7/12     7/24        1/8    .......   .......      2:3      1.5x
    13/24   .......        1/8      1/6      1/6             
    17/24   .......        1/8      1/6    .......            
    17/24   .......        1/8    .......     1/6             
     7/8    .......        1/8                   
                               
   4 daug   son      wife   mother   fath      ratio   
    13/36    13/72        1/8      1/6      1/6       1:2      2.0x
    17/36    17/72        1/8      1/6    .......      1:2      2.0x
    17/36    17/72        1/8    .......     1/6       1:2      2.0x
     7/12     7/24        1/8    .......   .......      1:2      2.0x
    13/24   .......        1/8      1/6      1/6             
    17/24   .......        1/8      1/6    .......            
    17/24   .......        1/8    .......     1/6             
     7/8    .......        1/8                   
                               
   5 daug   son      wife   mother   fath      ratio   
    13/36    13/72        1/8      1/6      1/6       2:5      2.5x
    17/36    17/72        1/8      1/6    .......      2:5      2.5x
    17/36    17/72        1/8    .......     1/6       2:5      2.5x
     7/12     7/24        1/8    .......   .......      2:5      2.5x
    13/24   .......        1/8      1/6      1/6             
    17/24   .......        1/8      1/6    .......            
    17/24   .......        1/8    .......     1/6             
     7/8    .......        1/8                   
                               
   6 daug   son      wife   mother   fath      ratio   
    13/36    13/72        1/8      1/6      1/6       1:3      3.0x
    17/36    17/72        1/8      1/6    .......      1:3      3.0x
    17/36    17/72        1/8    .......     1/6       1:3      3.0x
     7/12     7/24        1/8    .......   .......      1:3      3.0x
    13/24   .......        1/8      1/6      1/6             
    17/24   .......        1/8      1/6    .......            
    17/24   .......        1/8    .......     1/6             
     7/8    .......        1/8    .......   .......   
         
   .......   .......   .......   wife   mother   fath             
   .......   .......   .......     1/4      1/4      1/2             
   .......   .......   .......     1/4      3/4    .......            
   .......   .......   .......     1/4    .......     3/4             

husband
   1 daug   son      husb   mother   fath      ratio   
     5/24     5/24        1/4      1/6      1/6       1:1      1.0x
     7/24     7/24        1/4      1/6    .......      1:1      1.0x
     7/24     7/24        1/4    .......     1/6       1:1      1.0x
     3/8      3/8         1/4    .......   .......      1:1      1.0x
     5/12   .......        1/4      1/6      1/6             
     7/12   .......        1/4      1/6    .......            
     7/12   .......        1/4    .......     1/6             
     3/4    .......        1/4    .......   .......            
   .......     5/12        1/4      1/6      1/6             
   .......     7/12        1/4      1/6    .......            
   .......     7/12        1/4    .......     1/6             
   .......     3/4         1/4                   
                               
   2 daug   son      husb   mother   fath      ratio   
     5/24     5/24        1/4      1/6      1/6       1:2      2.0x
     7/24     7/24        1/4      1/6    .......      1:2      2.0x
     7/24     7/24        1/4    .......     1/6       1:2      2.0x
     3/8      3/8         1/4    .......   .......      1:2      2.0x
     5/12   .......        1/4      1/6      1/6             
     7/12   .......        1/4      1/6    .......            
     7/12   .......        1/4    .......     1/6             
     3/4    .......        1/4                   
                               
   3 daug   son      husb   mother   fath      ratio   
     5/18     5/36        1/4      1/6      1/6       2:3      1.5x
     7/18     7/36        1/4      1/6    .......      2:3      1.5x
     7/18     7/36        1/4    .......     1/6       2:3      1.5x
     1/2      1/4         1/4    .......   .......      2:3      1.5x
     5/12   .......        1/4      1/6      1/6             
     7/12   .......        1/4      1/6    .......            
     7/12   .......        1/4    .......     1/6             
     3/4    .......        1/4                   
                               
   4 daug   son      husb   mother   fath      ratio   
     5/18     5/36        1/4      1/6      1/6       1:2      2.0x
     7/18     7/36        1/4      1/6    .......      1:2      2.0x
     7/18     7/36        1/4    .......     1/6       1:2      2.0x
     1/2      1/4         1/4    .......   .......      1:2      2.0x
     5/12   .......        1/4      1/6      1/6             
     7/12   .......        1/4      1/6    .......            
     7/12   .......        1/4    .......     1/6             
     3/4    .......        1/4                   
                               
   5 daug   son      husb   mother   fath      ratio   
     5/18     5/36        1/4      1/6      1/6       2:5      2.5x
     7/18     7/36        1/4      1/6    .......      2:5      2.5x
     7/18     7/36        1/4    .......     1/6       2:5      2.5x
     1/2      1/4         1/4    .......   .......      2:5      2.5x
     5/12   .......        1/4      1/6      1/6             
     7/12   .......        1/4      1/6    .......            
     7/12   .......        1/4    .......     1/6             
     3/4    .......        1/4                   
                               
   6 daug   son      husb   mother   fath      ratio   
     5/18     5/36        1/4      1/6      1/6       1:3      3.0x
     7/18     7/36        1/4      1/6    .......      1:3      3.0x
     7/18     7/36        1/4    .......     1/6       1:3      3.0x
     1/2      1/4         1/4    .......   .......      1:3      3.0x
     5/12   .......        1/4      1/6      1/6             
     7/12   .......        1/4      1/6    .......            
     7/12   .......        1/4    .......     1/6             
     3/4    .......        1/4    .......   .......            
                               
   .......   .......   .......   husb   mother   fath             
   .......   .......   .......     1/2      1/6      1/3             
   .......   .......   .......     1/2      1/2    .......            
   .......   .......   .......     1/2    .......     1/2             

Likewise, everyone has the kalala meaning wrong saying father does not inherit together with siblings which clearly contradicts 4:11 if no walad/offspring/child and parents alive, mother 1/3, if siblings (3+ at least one male) mother gets 1/6, else if no walad/offspring/child and single parent (mother/father) then either becomes variable i.e. gets the remainder. There was always confusion pertaining to kalala case, see below …

The Qur'anic Term Kalala
Studies in Arabic Language and Poetry, Hadit, Tafsir, and Fiqh: Notes on the Origins of Islamic Law
Edition: 1 Author: Agostino Cilard

https://www.amazon.com/The-Quranic-Term-Kalala-Monograph/dp/074861916X

http://rorotoko.com/interview/20090904_powers_david_muhammad_not_father_any_your_men_making_last_prophet/?page=2

Book 011, Number 3937: , Abu Talha reported: 'Umar b. al-Khattab (Allah be please..
Abu Talha reported: 'Umar b. al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him) delivered a sermon on Friday and made a mention of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and he also made a mention of Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) and then said: I do not leave behind me any problem more difficult than that of Kalala. I did not refer to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) more repeatedly than in case of the problem of Kalala, and he (the Holy Prophet) never showed more annoyance to me than in regard to this problem, so much so that he struck my chest with his fingers and said: 'Umar, does the verse revealed in summer season, at the end of Sura al-Nisa' not suffice you? Hadrat 'Umar (then) said: If I live I would give such verdict about (Kalala) that everyone would be able to decide whether he reads the Qur'an or he does not.


Likewise, they did not know which amount to give the sole sister 1/6 (4:12) or 1/2 (4:176) and making up stuff saying 4:12 refers to uterine siblings/half sisters and brothers from the same mother, different father whereas 4:176 are full sisters which in itself is dumb and leads to numerous contradictions then later once algebra was invented they resolved the issue which brought about other confusion when total distribution is greater or less than the whole applied http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra which can be used to wrongly fix any surplus/shortfall not according to the book rather a trick fix to proportionately increase/decrease amounts by a common denominator called al-awl, see the supposed example case during the caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab below...

husband, mother, 3 uterine brothers, 2 full brothers
1/2 husband + 1/6 mother + 1/3 uterine brothers (4:12) = 0 full brothers (4:176)

Umar ruled that the 2 full brothers got nothing!  There was nothing remaining to share! The full brothers argued that even if their father was a donkey or a stone cast into the sea and they had no paternal relationship, they still had the same and equal relationship with the deceased as the uterine brothers through the same mother. Umar reconsidered his ruling and allowed the full brothers to inherit equally with the uterine brothers thus: 1/2 husband + 1/6 mother + 1/3 brothers = 1

kalala cases no spouse and/or offspring/child
if parents alive, mother 1/3, father variable (4:11)
if parents alive, 3+ siblings (at least 1 male) mother 1/6, father variable (4:11)
if only single parent (mother/father) each is variable else the math contradicts.

mother   fath      1 sis      1 bro      ratio   
  2/9      4/9         1/6         1/6       1:1       1x
  2/3    .......        1/6         1/6       1:1       1x
.......     2/3         1/6         1/6       1:1       1x
.......   .......        1/2         1/2       1:1       1x
  5/18     5/9       .......        1/6             
  5/18     5/9         1/6       .......            
  1/3      2/3       .......      .......            
  5/6    .......      .......        1/6             
  5/6    .......        1/6       .......            
.......     5/6       .......        1/6             
.......     5/6         1/6                   
                           
mother   fath      2 sis      1 bro      ratio   
  1/9      5/9         2/9         1/9       1:1       1x
  2/3    .......        2/9         1/9       1:1       1x
.......     2/3         2/9         1/9       1:1       1x
.......   .......        2/3         1/3       1:1       1x
  2/9      4/9         1/3                   
  2/3    .......        1/3                   
.......     2/3         1/3                   
                           
mother   fath      3 sis      1 bro      ratio   
  1/9      5/9         1/5         2/15      1:2      2x
  2/3    .......        1/5         2/15      1:2      2x
.......     2/3         1/5         2/15      1:2      2x
.......   .......        3/5         2/5       1:2      2x
  1/9      5/9         1/3                   
  2/3    .......        1/3                   
.......     2/3         1/3                   
                           
mother   fath      4 sis      1 bro      ratio   
.......     2/3         2/9         1/9       1:2      2x
  1/9      5/9         2/9         1/9       1:2      2x
  2/3    .......        2/9         1/9       1:2      2x
.......   .......        2/3         1/3       1:2      2x
  1/9      5/9         1/3                   
.......     2/3         1/3                   
  2/3    .......        1/3                   
                           
mother   fath      5 sis      1 bro      ratio   
.......     2/3         5/21        2/21      1:2      2x
  1/9      5/9         5/21        2/21      1:2      2x
  2/3    .......        5/21        2/21      1:2      2x
.......   .......        5/7         2/7       1:2      2x
  1/9      5/9         1/3                   
.......     2/3         1/3                   
  2/3    .......        1/3                   
                           
mother   fath      6 sis      1 bro      ratio   
.......     2/3         1/4         1/12      1:2      2x
  1/9      5/9         1/4         1/12      1:2      2x
  2/3    .......        1/4         1/12      1:2      2x
.......   .......        3/4         1/4       1:2      2x
  1/9      5/9         1/3                   
.......     2/3         1/3                   
  2/3    .......        1/3                   



# females   ratio   f,m      distributions given 1 male   
1 daughter   1.0x   1:1   1,1      1/2, 1/2 ... 4:11 and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2)
2 daughters   2.0x   1:2   2,1      1/4, 1/4, 1/2 ... 4:11 to the male similitude apportion the two females
3 daughters   1.5x   2:3   3,1      2/9, 2/9, 2/9, 1/3 ... 4:11 so if are womenfolk over two (3+) so for them third dual (2/3)
4 daughters   2.0x   1:2   4,1      1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3   
5 daughters   2.5x   2:5   5,1      2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 1/3   
6 daughters   3.0x   1:3   6,1      1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/3   
                  
# females   ratio   f,m      distributions given 1 male   
1 sister   1.0x   1:1   1,1      1/2, 1/2 ... 4:176 and to him (said person) sister so for her half (1/2)
2 sisters   1.0x   1:1   2,1      1/3, 1/3, 1/3 ... 4:176 so if be dual two females so to them dual the third each (2/3)
3 sisters   2.0x   1:2   3,1      1/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5 ... 4:176 so to the male similitude apportion the two females
4 sisters   2.0x   1:2   4,1      1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3   
5 sisters   2.0x   1:2   5,1      1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 2/7   
6 sisters   2.0x   1:2   6,1      1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/4   

The above same ratios apply adding more males
e.g. 1 daughter shares equally with any # of sons
e.g. 1 or 2 sisters share equally any # of brothers
                  
Cairo, National Library: qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73
ch4v11-12 translation: https://i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

4:11 instructed you the god in awladikum/offspring/children yours to the male similitude apportion the two females so if are (f/p) womenfolk fawqa/over two females (i.e. 3+) so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 x 2 = 2/3) what left and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2) and to parents two his/said person to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) from what left if be for him/said person waladun/offspring/child so if not beeth for him/said person waladun/offspring/child and inherit him/said person parents dual his/said person (i.e. parents alive) so to mother his/said person the third (1/3) so if be for him/said person siblings (3+ at least one male) so to mother his/said person the sixth (1/6) from after instruction/behest instructed in it or dept parents yours and children yours not thou knowing which of them nearer to you benefit of an obligation from the god indeed the god be knower of wisdom of

4:12 and for you half (1/2) what left spouses yours if not beeth for them (f/p) waladun/offspring/child so if be for them waladun/offspring/child so for you the fourth (1/4) from what left they (f/p) from after instruction/behest instructed they (f/p) in it or dept and for them the fourth (1/4) from what left you if not beeth for you waladun/offspring/child so if be for you waladun/offspring/child so to them the eight (1/8) from what left you from after instruction/behest thou making in it or dept and if be rajulun/man inherited kalalatan (single gender sibling heir no spouse and/or no child) or imra-atun/woman and to him/said person brother or sister so to each one of them dual the sixth (1/6) so if be they of more from such so they associates of in the third (1/3) from after instruction/behest instructed in it or dept other than harmful instruction from the god and the god knower tolerant


Berlin, State Library: ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73
ch4v176 translation: https://i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

4:176 they seeking decision your say the god gives ruling you in l-kalalati (mixed gender siblings no spouse and/or no child) if individual perished not is for him/said person waladun/offspring/child and to him sister so for her half (1/2) what left and he inherited her if not beeth for her waladun/offspring/child so if be dual two females (i.e. if exactly two!) so to them dual the third dual each (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left and if be they of ikhwatan/siblings rijalan/menfolk of wanisaan/and womenfolk (3+) so to the male similitude apportion the two females shows the god for you lest thou err ye of and the god in every thing knower 

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #714 on: May 28, 2019, 06:05:57 AM »
It is vary meritorious, detailed and thorough work you have done on thsi question for a long time, as far as I can remember.

May be, since there is very little that people, legally, can do about it, it is not getting as much attention as it hsould, outside the most glaring or shocking unfairness classically admitted.

However it is still necessary and useful.
I think there is just one detail in which I do not agree with you, but that is not important and no reason either not to acknowledge the great job you, have accomplished. Thank you for posting it so well ordered and clearly.

Salaam   

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #715 on: May 28, 2019, 07:00:30 AM »
What you see in these words? Do you find any male in it? Forget that so called Dr. See with your own eyes.




Qur'an says there are people who deny some part of the Book. Noon is patently one of them when he says this:

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yes in context 4:11 ratios given 2, 3+, and 1 female
they cannot be solitary no instruction for exactly two!

Not to accept that it ONLY means Solitary female is to make oneself an idiot and try misleading others.

Let some one else come to his help and resolve about this Ayah. I have but to rebut whatever non-sense gets posted on the Forum for those visitors who do know Arabic.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #716 on: June 29, 2019, 08:21:47 PM »
It is vary meritorious, detailed and thorough work you have done on thsi question for a long time, as far as I can remember.

May be, since there is very little that people, legally, can do about it, it is not getting as much attention as it hsould, outside the most glaring or shocking unfairness classically admitted.

However it is still necessary and useful.
I think there is just one detail in which I do not agree with you, but that is not important and no reason either not to acknowledge the great job you, have accomplished. Thank you for posting it so well ordered and clearly.

Salaam

Peace huruf, thank you it means a lot! Prior posts 1, 2, 3+ females to 1 male ratios.
Here's a test anyone who answers all six correctly – I’ll send a gift card $600 prize!

1.   mother, wife, 2 daughters (simple)
2.   parents, wife, 2 daughters, 2 sons (not difficult)
3.   parents, wife, 5 daughters, 2 sons (advanced)

4.   mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother (simple)
5.   mother, 5 sisters, 2 brothers (includes: uterine, full, father uncertain)
6.   parents, 8 sisters, 3 brothers (forward-thinking mastered the subject)

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #717 on: June 30, 2019, 03:04:15 AM »
Peace huruf, thank you it means a lot! Prior posts 1, 2, 3+ females to 1 male ratios.
Here's a test anyone who answers all six correctly – I’ll send a gift card $600 prize!

1.   mother, wife, 2 daughters (simple)
2.   parents, wife, 2 daughters, 2 sons (not difficult)
3.   parents, wife, 5 daughters, 2 sons (advanced)

4.   mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother (simple)
5.   mother, 5 sisters, 2 brothers (includes: uterine, full, father uncertain)
6.   parents, 8 sisters, 3 brothers (forward-thinking mastered the subject)

The fortunes of mourners are in accordance with the physical realities obtaining on ground. Nothing uncertain.

The fortunes change:


لِّلـرِّجَالِ نَصيِبٚ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ ٱلْوَٟلِدَانِ وَٱلۡأَقْرَبُونَ

Share is apportioned for the Men partially from the inheritance left by the Parents (Mother and Father) and the relatively Nearer Relatives.

وَلِلنِّسَآءِ نَصِيبٚ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ ٱلْوَٟلِدَانِ وَٱلۡأَقْرَبُونَ

And share is apportioned for the Women partially from the inheritance left by the Parents (Mother and Father) and the relatively Nearer Relatives.

مِمَّا قَلَّ مِنْهُ أَوْ كَثُرَۚ نَصِيبٙا مَّفْرُوضٙا .4:07٧

This share is out of that which has either become diminutive from that-inheritance or has become greater fortune apportioned. [4:07]

http://haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #718 on: July 04, 2019, 11:03:29 AM »
Here's a test anyone who answers all six correctly – I’ll send a gift card $600 prize!

anyone like to give it a try, even the first three?

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #719 on: July 20, 2019, 08:36:12 AM »
Peace huruf, thank you it means a lot! Prior posts 1, 2, 3+ females to 1 male ratios.
Here's a test anyone who answers all six correctly – I’ll send a gift card $600 prize!

1.   mother, wife, 2 daughters (simple)
2.   parents, wife, 2 daughters, 2 sons (not difficult)
3.   parents, wife, 5 daughters, 2 sons (advanced)

4.   mother, 2 sisters, 1 brother (simple)
5.   mother, 5 sisters, 2 brothers (includes: uterine, full, father uncertain)
6.   parents, 8 sisters, 3 brothers (forward-thinking mastered the subject)

1.   1/6 mother, 1/8 wife, 17/24 children (no difference if daughters or sons alone)
2.   1/3 parents, 1/8 wife, 13/24 children (2:2 ratio same as 1:1 all share equally)
3.   1/3 parents, 1/8 wife, 13/24 children (5:2 ratio same as 2.5:1 i.e. above two)

Here is scaling males if mixed, notice consistency f/m ratios 1,1 2,2 3,3 ... etc., share equally.
When looking at it closely females are favored especially when 1 or 2 in relation to #of males.

4:11 mixed gender offspring – daughters and sons
f:m ratio ....... 1.0000 ......... 0.5000 ....... 0.3333 ......... 0.2500 ....... 0.2000 ......... 0.1667
f, m mult ....... 1, 1 1x ......... 1, 2 1/2x .... 1, 3 1/3x ....... 1, 4 1/4x .... 1, 5 1/5x ...... 1, 6 1/6x
f, m total ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ..... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ...... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
f, m each ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/4 ..... 1/2, 1/6 ....... 1/2, 1/8 ...... 1/2, 1/10 ..... 1/2, 1/12

f:m ratio ....... 2.0000 ......... 1.0000 ....... 0.6667 ........ 0.5000 ......... 0.4000 ......... 0.3333
f, m mult ....... 2, 1 2x ......... 2, 2 1x ........ 2, 3 2/3x ..... 2, 4 1/2x ...... 2, 5 2/5x ...... 2, 6 1/3x
f, m total ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ..... 1/2, 1/2 ...... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
f, m each ....... 1/4, 1/2 ....... 1/4, 1/4 ..... 1/4, 1/6 ...... 1/4, 1/8 ....... 1/4, 1/10 ..... 1/4, 1/12

f:m ratio ....... 3.0000 ......... 1.5000 ....... 1.0000 ........ 0.7500 ......... 0.6000 ......... 0.5000
f, m mult ....... 3, 1 3/2x ...... 3, 2 3/2x .... 3, 3 1x ......... 3, 4 3/4x ...... 3, 5 3/5x ...... 3, 6 1/2x
f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ..... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
f, m each ....... 2/9, 1/3 ....... 1/6, 1/4 ..... 1/6, 1/6 ....... 1/6, 1/8 ....... 1/6, 1/10 ..... 1/6, 1/12

f:m ratio ....... 4.0000 ......... 2.0000 ....... 1.3333 ......... 1.0000 ......... 0.8000 ........ 0.6667
f, m mult ....... 4, 1 2x ......... 4, 2 2x ........ 4, 3 4/3x ...... 4, 4 1x ......... 4, 5 4/5x ...... 4, 6 2/3x
f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ..... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
f, m each ....... 1/6, 1/3 ....... 1/8, 1/4 ..... 1/8, 1/6 ....... 1/8, 1/8 ....... 1/8, 1/10 ..... 1/8, 1/12

f:m ratio ....... 5.0000 ......... 2.5000 ........ 1.6667 ........ 1.2500 ......... 1.0000 ......... 0.8333
f, m mult ....... 5, 1 5/2x ...... 5, 2 5/4x ..... 5, 3 5/3x ...... 5, 4 5/4x ...... 5, 5 1x ......... 5, 6 5/6x
f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 2/3, 1/3 ...... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
f, m each ....... 2/15, 1/3 ..... 2/15, 1/6 .... 1/10, 1/6 ..... 1/10, 1/8 ...... 1/10, 1/10 ... 1/10, 1/12

f:m ratio ....... 6.0000 ......... 3.0000 ........ 2.0000 ......... 1.5000 ......... 1.2000 ......... 1.0000
f, m mult ....... 6, 1 3x ......... 6, 2 3/2x ..... 6, 3 2x .......... 6, 4 3/2x ...... 6, 5 6/5x ...... 6, 6 1x
f, m total ....... 2/3, 1/3 ....... 2/3, 1/3 ...... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2 ....... 1/2, 1/2
f, m each ....... 1/9, 1/3 ....... 1/9, 1/6 ...... 1/12, 1/6 ..... 1/12, 1/8 ..... 1/12, 1/10 .... 1/12, 1/12

anyone like to try next three pertaining to siblings/kalala cases?