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Mazhar

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #700 on: May 26, 2019, 01:39:26 PM »
^^^ clueless rant hijacking the thread with continuous spamming!
4:11 daughter 1/2 children mixed i.e. son/s present not solitary.
again mazhar simply allocate father daughter?
otherwise stop hijacking the thread!

Sentences of Ayah quoted are simple and specific. It is specifically mentioned if there was one child half will go to child.

Simply answer the post. I know you have gone clueless.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #701 on: May 26, 2019, 01:48:20 PM »
Sentences of Ayah quoted are simple and specific. It is specifically mentioned if there was one child half will go to child.

no read in context it is a loop gives ratios females:male nicely explained in video
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

otherwise have 100s of contradictions in distributions e.g. parents daughter?



# females   multi   ratio   f,m      distributions given 1 male   
1 daughter   1.0x   1:1   1,1      1/2, 1/2 ... 4:11 and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2)
2 daughters   2.0x   1:2   2,1      1/4, 1/4, 1/2 ... 4:11 to the male similitude apportion the two females
3 daughters   1.5x   2:3   3,1      2/9, 2/9, 2/9, 1/3 ... 4:11 so if are womenfolk over two (3+) so for them third dual (2/3)
4 daughters   2.0x   1:2   4,1      1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3   
5 daughters   2.5x   2:5   5,1      2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 1/3   
6 daughters   3.0x   1:3   6,1      1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/3   
                  
# females   multi   ratio   f,m      distributions given 1 male   
1 sister   1.0x   1:1   1,1      1/2, 1/2 ... 4:176 and to him (said person) sister so for her half (1/2)
2 sisters   1.0x   1:1   2,1      1/3, 1/3, 1/3 ... 4:176 so if be dual two females so to them dual the third each (2/3)
3 sisters   2.0x   1:2   3,1      1/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5 ... 4:176 so to the male similitude apportion the two females
4 sisters   2.0x   1:2   4,1      1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3   
5 sisters   2.0x   1:2   5,1      1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 2/7   
6 sisters   2.0x   1:2   6,1      1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/4   

above same ratios apply when adding more males
e.g. 1 daughter shares equally with any # of sons
e.g. 1 or 2 sisters share equally any # of brothers

4:176 shows the god for you lest thou err ye of and the god in every thing knower

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #702 on: May 26, 2019, 03:18:39 PM »
My dear why are you so evasive. Your plan flops when we come to specifics.

One female gets half of the inheritance. How can you deny the words of Allah and insert your own imagination. There is no mention that with one girl there is one boy also.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #703 on: May 26, 2019, 04:29:13 PM »
you cannot read in context, attributed daughters to god, cannot allocate anything.
open your own thread show how to allocate all combinations without contradiction.
see small sample below then do same: husband, daughters, sons, sisters, brothers.

daughter,son,wife,mother,father

daughter,son,wife,mother
daughter,son,wife,father
daughter,son,mother,father
daughter,wife,mother,father
son,wife,mother,father

daughter,son,wife
daughter,son,mother
daughter,son,father
daughter,wife,mother
daughter,wife,father
daughter,mother,father
son,wife,mother
son,wife,father
son,mother,father
wife,mother,father

daughter,son
daughter,wife
daughter,mother
daughter,father
son,wife
son,mother
son,father
wife,mother
wife,father
mother,father

kalala cases
mother,father,sister,brother

mother,father,sister
mother,father,brother
mother,sister,brother
father,sister,brother

mother,sister
mother,brother
father,sister
father,brother
sister,brother

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #704 on: May 26, 2019, 09:05:09 PM »
Error in my mistake, accidentally posted a quote from Noon.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #705 on: May 27, 2019, 05:56:52 AM »
My dear why are you so evasive. Your plan flops when we come to specifics.

One female gets half of the inheritance. How can you deny the words of Allah and insert your own imagination. There is no mention that with one girl there is one boy also.

It will stupid on any one part if he thinks himself more wise in allocating share than Allah's distribution.

Allah the Exalted has made three situations where allocations are made. The remaining part is left to the discretion of testator.

Allah the Exalted has allocated inalienable shares for the bereaved relatives in the most simple method by categorizing the deceased in three mutually exclusive types:

 (i) Parents (Biological father and mother) leaving behind one daughter, or two daughters and son, or many daughters, daughter and son/sons, or more than one son. Parents leaving behind only one son are not in this category.

(ii) Deceased leaving behind alive parents, both mother and father; one son and spouse (wife/wives or husband). Or deceased leaving behind only parents (father and mother) and spouse, but without one son to grieve.

(iii) Deceased (man or woman) leaving behind only single alive parent or no parent, and no spouse, but leaving one son to grieve him. Or deceased leaving behind only single alive parent or no parent, no spouse, no son but leaving behind to grieve him one sister, or two sisters, or sister/s and brothers.

As for your stupid and idiotic distribution of all the inheritance as one unit, you have ran away answering post

1= 24 equal parts.

According to this sentence of Ayah half went to one female (daughter-Noon calls it walad=child)= 12 parts


وَلِأَبَوَيْهِ لِـكُلِّ وَٟحِدٛ مِّنْـهُـمَا ٱلسُّدُسُ مِمَّا تَرَكَ إِن كَانَ لَهُۥ وَلَـدٚۚ

Take note; One-sixth of that which he (the deceased son) has left behind is allocated separately for each of his bereaved Father and Mother. This direction is to take effect if solitary child is surviving for him (the deceased).

One sixth to father = 4 parts
one sixth to mother=4 parts.

20 parts went.


فَإِن كَانَ لَـكُـمْ وَلَـدٚ فَلَـهُنَّ ٱلثُّمُنُ مِمَّا تَرَكْتُـمۚ

However, in case there was child (according to Noon) to grieve for you, thereby, the one-eighth is apportioned for them (bereaved wives) out of that which you have left.

She gets- 3 parts.

Total 23.

To whom will go remaining part 1 and where is its mention dear Noon?


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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #706 on: May 27, 2019, 10:39:00 AM »
As for your stupid and idiotic distribution of all the inheritance as one unit, you have ran away answering post

you do not know, now you are asking me to allocate parents spouse daughter?
already posted all combinations see video, 4:11 mixed gender children ratios.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

(if walad/offspring/child)
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 1/8 wife, 13/24 children (1/3 + 1/8 + 13/24 = 1)
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 1/8 wife, 13/24 son/s
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 1/8 wife, 13/24 daughter/s
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 1/8 wife, 13/24 (13/48 daughter, 13/48 son) 1:1 ratio

now it is your turn (again!), please distribute parents, spouse, two daughters?

no read in context it is a loop gives ratios females:male nicely explained in video
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

otherwise have 100s of contradictions in distributions e.g. parents daughter?

# females   multi   ratio   f,m      distributions given 1 male   
1 daughter   1.0x   1:1   1,1      1/2, 1/2 ... 4:11 and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2)
2 daughters   2.0x   1:2   2,1      1/4, 1/4, 1/2 ... 4:11 to the male similitude apportion the two females
3 daughters   1.5x   2:3   3,1      2/9, 2/9, 2/9, 1/3 ... 4:11 so if are womenfolk over two (3+) so for them third dual (2/3)
4 daughters   2.0x   1:2   4,1      1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3   
5 daughters   2.5x   2:5   5,1      2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 1/3   
6 daughters   3.0x   1:3   6,1      1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/3   
                  
above same ratios apply when adding more males
e.g. 1 daughter shares equally with any # of sons

4:176 shows the god for you lest thou err ye of and the god in every thing knower

peace!
                  

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #707 on: May 27, 2019, 12:39:27 PM »
//(if walad/offspring/child)
1/3 parents (1/6 each), 1/8 wife, 13/24 children (1/3 + 1/8 + 13/24 = 1)//


This is your brain child. Where is written 13/24 to children.

If one child it is written in Qur'an one half is for her. One half is not 13/24.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #708 on: May 27, 2019, 03:15:21 PM »
If one child it is written in Qur'an one half is for her. One half is not 13/24.

cannot teach you basic logic or to read in context; nowhere written what to give son/s variable/calculated!
already explained in video 4:11 ratios females:male THE ONLY non-contradicting reading all combinations!

Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

if walad 1/8 wife, 7/8 children (son/s, daughter/s, if mixed gender use 4:11 ratios)
if walad 1/4 husband, 3/4 children (son/s, daughter/s, if mixed gender use 4:11 ratios)
if walad 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 2/3 children (son/s, daughter/s, if mixed gender use 4:11 ratios)

if no walad 1/2 husband, 1/2 mother/father (variable/calculated!)
if no walad 1/4 wife, 3/4 parents [(1/3*3/4 = 1/4 mother (4:11), 1/2 father (variable/calculated!)]

already posted all of 1,000+ permutations no contradiction while you only rant and do not know how to allocate anything!
you can disagree with my distributions and agree with critics that the book has hundreds of contradictions on inheritance!
you can continue to translate 6:100-101 walad/son erroneously ignorantly attribute daughters thus branded on the snout!



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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #709 on: May 27, 2019, 03:25:58 PM »
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cannot teach you basic logic or to read in context; nowhere written what to give son/s variable/calculated!
already explained in video 4:11 ratios females:male THE ONLY non-contradicting reading all combinations!

Why you overlook - reject straight forward order:

وَإِن كَانَتْ وَٟحِدَةٙ فَلَـهَا ٱلنِّصْفُۚ