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Mazhar

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #690 on: May 23, 2019, 06:20:06 AM »
Also Noon, these link that uses mistranslation of 4:11-13 are used to be debunked? Because this thread is about debunking the mistranslation the verses that the mistranslation is due to hadith influence.

Elaborate. where is influence of hadith on translation.

Give separate translations which you think is influenced by hadith.

This hadith mockery is a fraudulent technique to mislead people.

Come with explicit s/

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #691 on: May 23, 2019, 06:43:42 AM »
Elaborate. where is influence of hadith on translation.

Give separate translations which you think is influenced by hadith.

This hadith mockery is a fraudulent technique to mislead people.

Come with explicit s/
I sadly don't remember which hadith it was but i think it was from Bukhari. Like i said i don't remember. Sorry if my answer is not good enough.

*EDIT* It seems brother Noon did actually mentioned a Hadith in the first page: https://sunnah.com/urn/239370

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #692 on: May 23, 2019, 09:14:36 AM »
What Noon is thinking as Inheritance that were the opinion of some that has noting relevant to words of Qur'an.

Qur'an nowhere allocates 1/3 of any denominator to a son. This is what Noon avoids to talk about. Qur'an allocates half of inheritance if there is only one female in Aulad.

Qur'an separates the deceased into three categories each exclusive from other. 

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #693 on: May 25, 2019, 01:20:44 AM »
*EDIT* It seems brother Noon did actually mentioned a Hadith in the first page: https://sunnah.com/urn/239370

peace, not only hadith -- horrid readings that lead to 100s of contradictions!
e.g. parents, 2 daughters contradiction! husband, 2 daughters contradiction!
ask any scholar in the world and they are clueless to allocate above correctly!

ch4v11 over two (3+) – cannot ever include two!
ch6v18 and he the subjugator over (not equal!) devotees his
ch4v176 exactly two – cannot ever be over two (3+)!

Dr. Mohamad Shahrour is the only scholar that came close
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

ch4v11 applies only when “mixed” children while single gender i.e. solitary son/s or daughter/s always variable get the remainder after parents and/or spouses; likewise, any sole heir always gets the whole e.g. parent, spouse, offspring/child (son/s, daughter/s), sibling (brother/s, sister/s), etc.
 
in "all cases" the shares always equal exactly 1 and never above/under!

Cairo, National Library: qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73
ch4v11-12 translation: https://i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

Berlin, State Library: ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73
ch4v176 translation: https://i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

children & siblings https://i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg
children & parents, kalala: https://i.postimg.cc/JzrV1jWp/inheritance1.jpg
children & spouses: https://i.postimg.cc/tCzwm7VW/inheritance2.jpg

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #694 on: May 26, 2019, 06:37:54 AM »
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ch4v11 applies only when “mixed” children while single gender i.e. solitary son/s or daughter/s always variable get the remainder after parents and/or spouses; likewise, any sole heir always gets the whole e.g. parent, spouse, offspring/child (son/s, daughter/s), sibling (brother/s, sister/s), etc.
 

What a stupid resolution?


وَإِن كَانَتْ وَٟحِدَةٙ فَلَـهَا ٱلنِّصْفُۚ

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #695 on: May 26, 2019, 07:26:05 AM »
^^^ still spamming has not figured out to allocate parents, spouse, daughter/s  :nope:

Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk[/quote]

video made me think of one unresolved question
certain mixed gender children/siblings with 1 male

# females   multi   ratio   f/m      distributions given 1 male   
1 daughter   1.0x   1:1   1,1      1/2, 1/2 ... 4:11 and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2)
2 daughters   2.0x   1:2   2,1      1/4, 1/4, 1/2 ... 4:11 to the male similitude apportion the two females
3 daughters   1.5x   2:3   3,1      2/9, 2/9, 2/9, 1/3 ... 4:11 so if are womenfolk over two (3+) so for them third dual (2/3)
4 daughters   2.0x   1:2   4,1      1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3   
5 daughters   2.5x   2:5   5,1      2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 1/3   
6 daughters   3.0x   1:3   6,1      1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/3   
                  
1 sister   1.0x   1:1   1,1      1/2, 1/2 ... 4:176 and to him (said person) sister so for her half (1/2)
2 sisters   1.0x   1:1   2,1      1/3, 1/3, 1/3 ... 4:176 so if be dual two females so to them dual the third each (2/3)
3 sisters   2.0x   1:2   3,1      1/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5 ... 4:176 so to the male similitude apportion the two females
4 sisters   2.0x   1:2   4,1      1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3   
5 sisters   2.0x   1:2   5,1      1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 2/7   
6 sisters   2.0x   1:2   6,1      1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/4   

the question is do above same ratios apply adding more males?
e.g. 1 daughter/sister share equally with any # of sons/brothers?
OR 1 daughter/sister 1/2, 6 sons/brothers 1/2 (1/12 each?)

2 sisters 1/4 (1/8 each), 6 brothers 3/4 (1/8 each
OR
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each), 6 brothers 1/3 (1/18 each?)

logically the same ratios given do hold when adding more males!

peace!


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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #696 on: May 26, 2019, 11:07:17 AM »
What a stupid resolution?


وَإِن كَانَتْ وَٟحِدَةٙ فَلَـهَا ٱلنِّصْفُۚ

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

Just forget superfluous distribution. Do you accept this command or you reject it?

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #697 on: May 26, 2019, 01:08:46 PM »
^^^ 4:11 where is the instruction what to give 2 solitary daughters, no sons?
4:176 where is the instruction what to give 3+ solitary sisters, no brothers?

simple questions he repeatedly refuses to answer continues spamming!
exactly same instructions solitary boys/girls, can only have 1 variable!

1/3 parents (fixed 1/6 each), 2/3 two sons (variable 1/3 each)
1/3 parents (fixed 1/6 each), 2/3 two daughters (variable 1/3 each)

the instruction set mixed children ratio f:m is given
4:11 instructed you the god in offspring yours
(case 2 females!) to the male similitude apportion the two females
(case 3+ females!) so if are womenfolk over two females so for them 2/3
(case 1 female!) and if be she one so for her the half (1/2)


this is like teaching preschool children with attention deficit disorder symptoms.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #698 on: May 26, 2019, 01:22:11 PM »
What a stupid resolution?


وَإِن كَانَتْ وَٟحِدَةٙ فَلَـهَا ٱلنِّصْفُۚ

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.


1= 24 equal parts.

According to this sentence of Ayah half went to one female (daughter-Noon calls it walad=child)= 12 parts


وَلِأَبَوَيْهِ لِـكُلِّ وَٟحِدٛ مِّنْـهُـمَا ٱلسُّدُسُ مِمَّا تَرَكَ إِن كَانَ لَهُۥ وَلَـدٚۚ

Take note; One-sixth of that which he (the deceased son) has left behind is allocated separately for each of his bereaved Father and Mother. This direction is to take effect if solitary child is surviving for him (the deceased).

One sixth to father = 4 parts
one sixth to mother=4 parts.

20 parts went.


فَإِن كَانَ لَـكُـمْ وَلَـدٚ فَلَـهُنَّ ٱلثُّمُنُ مِمَّا تَرَكْتُـمۚ

However, in case there was child (according to Noon) to grieve for you, thereby, the one-eighth is apportioned for them (bereaved wives) out of that which you have left.

She gets- 3 parts.

Total 23.

To whom will go remaining part 1 and where is its mention dear Noon?

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #699 on: May 26, 2019, 01:34:16 PM »
^^^ clueless rant hijacking the thread with continuous spamming!
4:11 daughter 1/2 children mixed i.e. son/s present not solitary.
again mazhar simply allocate father daughter?
otherwise stop hijacking the thread!