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Started by Noon waalqalami, July 04, 2012, 02:45:51 PM

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Mazhar

Quote from: Mazhar on Today at 09:28:59 AM
QuoteReply 197

What about the Ayah quoted in Reply 196. Do you not accept it to be the Word of Allah?
For your information  الْأقْرَبِينَ and مَوَالِي both are Plural and in Arabic Waladain is dual not plural-two active participles who participated for the birth of their offspring.
Allah the Exalted says they are plural in number-three minimum and above who will benefit from inheritance of deceased but you are insisting they are only two in all your above imaginary cases a to d.     Mazhar

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 24, 2012, 02:31:18 PM
What about it?

4:32 ولا and not تتمنوا covet ما what فضل favored الله The God به with it بعضكم some of you على over بعض some/others للرجال to the men نصيب a share مما from what اكتسبوا they earned وللنساء and to the women نصيب a share مما from what اكتسبن they earned واسالوا and ask الله The God من from فضله His bounty ان indeed الله The God كان is بكل in every شيء a thing عليما Knowing
4:33 ولكل and for all جعلنا We made موالي heirs مما from what ترك left الوالدان the parents والاقربون and the close relatives والذين and the ones who عقدت aqadat pledged ايمانكم your right hands فآتوهم so give them نصيبهم their share ان indeed الله The God كان is على over كل each شيء a thing شهيدا Witness


It shows that you cannot read or comprehend a simple thing!

IF ONLY two relatives left -- do you think that is not possible?

case: mother and father 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

Who is the third -- you, perhaps your housemaid, or the dog?

There is never contradiction about any thing in Qur'aan.

موالي Plural

للرجال  Plural

للنساء Plural

لِّلرِّجَالِ نَصيِبٌ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ الْوَالِدَانِ وَالْأَقْرَبُونَ وَلِلنِّسَاءِ نَصِيبٌ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ الْوَالِدَانِ وَالْأَقْرَبُونَ مِمَّا قَلَّ مِنْهُ أَوْ كَثُرَ نَصِيبًا مَّفْرُوضًا

There will never be two, always موالي Plural, three and more. Is it not a simple thing?

In view of Allah the Exalted saying there are موالي plural, your assumption is conjectural

QuoteI'm not presuming and that is exactly the case; person leaves only inheritors:

case a. father and son   1 - 1/6 father   (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case b. mother and son 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
case c. mother and father    1 - 1/3 mother (fixed) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)
case d. mother and brother 1 - 1/6 mother (fixed) = 5/6 brother (variable/unstated)
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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: Mazhar on August 24, 2012, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: Mazhar on Today at 09:28:59 AM
There will never be two, always موالي Plural, three and more. Is it not a simple thing?

You are clueless! Think before you post! According to you it's impossible for there to be only two heirs?





Mazhar

Quote from: Noon waalqalami on August 24, 2012, 05:45:32 PM
You are clueless! Think before you post! According to you it's impossible for there to be only two heirs?

Quote authority--only of Qur'aan.
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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: Mazhar on August 24, 2012, 06:05:46 PM
Quote authority--only of Qur'aan.

You confusing verses addressing plural three or more, saying two is not applicable or possible is ridiculous!
We need only find case anywhere in the world two heirs to prove your nonsense incorrect reading of verse.

4:11 ... وورثه and heirs ابواه person?s parents (if only parents) فلامه so to his mother الثلث the third

You are done! Only two heirs mentioned!

4:33 ولكل and for all جعلنا We made موالي mawāliya heirs
19:5 واني and indeed I خفت fear الموالي al-mawāliya the heirs من from ورائي after me


Likewise, he was praying for what; three or more heirs or will not one suffice?

I'll advise once again unless you have something to contribute don't spam this thread with nonsense.

People are still waiting for you to distribute....

case: mother and father
case: mother and son


If you cannot or are too stubborn and refuse perhaps I'll have my little 10 year old nephew teach you.



Mazhar

QuoteYou confusing verses addressing plural three or more, saying two is not applicable or possible is ridiculous!
We need only find case anywhere in the world two heirs to prove your nonsense incorrect reading of verse.

4:11 ... وورثه and heirs ابواه person?s parents (if only parents) فلامه so to his mother الثلث the third

You are done! Only two heirs mentioned!

What an evidence!!! Only one third, who will get the remaining two third?

Now again read the verdict of Allah the Exalted and ask your nephew if he knows Arabic to make you understand.

وَلِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مَوَالِيَ مِمَّا تَرَكَ الْوَالِدَانِ وَالْأَقْرَبُونَ

وَالَّذِينَ عَقَدَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ فَآتُوهُمْ نَصِيبَهُمْ


If he knows even elementary Arabic, he might tell you something about كُل that this indefinite noun knows no exception in all the population of the world.

Every person with no exception has مَوَالِي plural--three and above.

Why are you defying the declarative statement of Allah the Exalted only to stick to your nonsense matehmatical gimmicks?
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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: Mazhar on August 24, 2012, 08:12:55 PM
What an evidence!!! Only one third, who will get the remaining two third?

You're babbling!

Only idiots will not understand if two people and if one gets 1/3 the other gets remaining 2/3!

How you can insert Allah in your every other post to such nonsense and stupidity is obscene!


Noon waalqalami

Thread is distributing shares according to Qur'an; either provide alternative distributions or stop spamming!

Here are all combinations for reference; obviously sole inheritor gets the whole, no need for arbitration laws.

4:11 يوصيكم directs you الله The God في in أولادكم your children للذكر to the male مثل like حظ share الأنثيين the two (feminine)...

son/s + daughter/s distribute at 2:1 ratio male to female = 1

4:11 ... فان so if كن kunna/are نساء nisa فوق above اثنتين two فلهن falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) ثلثا thulutha (2/3) ما what ترك left

وان and if كانت kanat/is (feminine) واحده one فلها so to her النصف the half

ولابويه and to their parents لكل to each واحد one منهما from them السدس the sixth مما from what ترك left ان if كان kana/is (masculine) له to person ولد walad/son (if male child/born)

فان so if لم not يكن was له to person ولد waladun/offspring/child born وورثه and heirs ابواه person?s parents (if only parents) فلامه so to his mother الثلث the third

فان so if كان kana/is (masculine singular) له to person اخوه ikh'wat (if male sibling/brother) فلامه so to his mother السدس the sixth

من from بعد after وصيه a will يوصي have made بها in it او or دين judgmentاباؤكم your fathers وابناؤكم and your children لا not تدرون you know ايهم which of them اقرب closer لكم to you نفعا benefit فريضه obligation من from الله The God ان indeed الله The God كان is عليما Knowing حكيما Wise


1 father + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/3 mother + 2/3 father = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 brother/s = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 son/s = 1

1 daughter  1/2 + 1/2 mother/father = 1
2 daughters + mother/father equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 mother/father = 1

1 daughter  1/2 + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
2 daughters + mother + father all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1

4:11 kalalah fatherless and spouseless no son (sibling/s variable/unstated)
1 daughter  1/2 + 1/2 (mother + sister/s) = 1
1 daughter  1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 brother/s = 1
1 daughter  1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + mother + sister/s (all share equally) = 1
2 daughters + brother/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1
2 daughters + brother/s + sister/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (mother + sister/s) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

1 daughter  1/2 + 1/2 sister/s = 1
1 daughter  1/2 + 1/2 brother/s = 1
1 daughter  1/2 + 1/2 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + sister/s = 1
2 daughters + brother/s = 1
2 daughters + sister/s + brother/s = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 sister/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

4:12 ولكم and to you نصف half ما what ترك left ازواجكم your spouse?s ان if لم not يكن was لهن to them ولد waladun/offspring/child

فان so if كان kana is (masculine) لهن to them ولد walad/son (if is male child/born) فلكم so to you الربع the fourth

مما from what تركن they left من from بعد after وصيه a will يوصين they made بها in it او or دين judgment

ولهن and to them الربع the fourth مما from what تركتم you left ان if لم not يكن was لكم to you ولد waladun/offspring/child

فان so if كان kana is (masculine) لكم to you ولد walad/son (i.e. if to person male child/born) فلهن falahunna/so to them الثمن the eight

مما from what تركتم you left من from بعد after وصيه a will توصون you made بها in it او or دين judgment...


1 spouse + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 son/s = 1
1/8 wife    + 7/8 son/s = 1

1 daughter  1/2 + 1/2 spouse = 1
2 daughters + spouse equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 spouse = 1

1/2 husband + 1/2 mother/father = 1
1/4 wife    + 3/4 mother/father = 1

1/2 husband + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
1/4 wife    + 3/8 mother + 3/8 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12  son/s = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife    + 17/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter  1/2 + 1/4 mother/father + 1/4 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother/father + spouse all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother/father + 1/6 spouse = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12  son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/8 wife    + 13/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter  1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/6 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother + father + spouse (share equally) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/9 mother + 1/9 father + 1/9 spouse = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 children mixed (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1

4:12 kalalah fatherless and spouseless has son; sibling/s fixed at 1/6 or 1/3
4:12 .. وان and if كان is رجل a man يورث inherited كلاله kalalah (no crown/head of household; fatherless and spouseless) او or امراه woman

وله and has اخ brother او or اخت sister فلكل so to each واحد one منهما from them السدس the sixth

فان so if كانوا they were اكثر greater من from ذلك that فه so they مشركاء partners في in الثلث the third

من from بعد after وصيه a will يوصى is recommended بها in it او or دين judgment غير not مضار harmful وصيه a will من from الله The God والله and The God عليم Knowing حليم Forbearing


1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 son/s = 1

1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 son/s = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 (daughter/s + son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female = 1

4:176 al-kalalah the fatherless and spouseless no offspring/child born
4:176 يستفتونك they seek your ruling قل say الله The God يفتيكم gives you a ruling في in الكلاله al-kalalah (the fatherless and spouseless; deceased left no crown/head of household)

ان if امرؤ person هلك died ليس is not له to person ولد waladun/offspring/child وله and has اخت sister فلها so to her نصف half ما what ترك left وهو and he يرثها inherits it ان if لم not يكن was لها to her ولد waladun/offspring/child

فان so if كانتا they were اثنتين two (feminine) فلهما so to them الثلثان the third twice (2/3) مما from what ترك left

وان and if كانوا they were اخوه ikh'watun/siblings رجالا rijal ونساء wanisa فللذكر so to the male مثل like حظ share الانثيين the two (feminine)

يبين clarifies الله The God لكم to you ان lest تضلوا you stray والله and The God بكل in every شيء a thing عليم Knowing


1 sister  1/2 + 1/2 mother = 1
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each) + 1/3 mother = 1
3 sisters (1/4 each x 3) + 1/4 mother = 1

sister/s + brother/s distribute at 2:1 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s) distribute at 2:1 ratio male to female = 1

Mazhar

Again mathematical gimmick without quoting legal provision.
You do not attend the declarative statement of Allah the Exalted and start calling its mention as  nonsense and stupidity obscene. Explore why such verdict giving Ayah is causing irritation to you---  because they compel you to accept your stupidity of arriving at what you repeatedly reproduce mathematics but selfish ego does not permit it---hence irritation and outburst.

Noon,  sincerely advise you to consult someone for psycho checkup before it is too late like 19 gimmicks of Rashad Khalifa that veiled his intellect.

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Mazhar

Quote from: Mazhar on August 24, 2012, 08:12:55 PM

Let me make a final attempt to try dissolving clot that got developed in your brain on this issue

وَلِكُلٍّ جَعَلْنَا مَوَالِيَ مِمَّا تَرَكَ الْوَالِدَانِ وَالْأَقْرَبُونَ

وَالَّذِينَ عَقَدَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ فَآتُوهُمْ نَصِيبَهُمْ


Mind it this declaration is about the INHERITANCE left behind by the father and mother and near relatives.

Every person with no exception has مَوَالِي plural--three and above. And look at the beauty of narration in Qur'aan that it has not left mention of those who must be taken into consideration while distributing that part of wealth left to the discretionary Will of the dying wealthy person. The possibility of ignoring who are otherwise weakest within the ambit of مَوَالِي is mentioned seperately after it.


فَآتُوهُمْ نَصِيبَهُمْ This is Imperative-a command of Allah the Exalted. Your mathematic equation lengthy gimmick forget to give them their due share.
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Noon waalqalami

Quote from: Mazhar on August 25, 2012, 06:29:29 AM
Noon,  sincerely advise you to consult someone for psycho checkup before it is too late like 19 gimmicks of Rashad Khalifa that veiled his intellect.

Mazhar, you are a moron! Your reading is wrong! We know these heirs exist!

mother, father
mother, son
mother, daughter
mother, sister
mother, brother
mother, spouse
father, son
father, daughter
father, sister
father, brother
father, spouse
son, daughter
son, sister
son, brother

Until you answer the above and admit your error everything you write on any subject will dismissed as a moronic rant!