Inheritance according to Qur?an

[Mazhar]

4:11 ... فإن so if لم not يكن was له to person ولد waladun/child وورثه and heirs أبواه person?s parents فلأمه so to his mother الثلث the third

1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/known) = 2/3 father (variable/unknown)

Logical deduction AND IF OR NOT ELSE (used to build supercomputers) differentiates the human from most creatures.

Peace!

What will be the case if the diceased is a woma?

[Noon waalqalami]

What will be the case if the diceased is a woma?

The same; why ask ? are not women included in the human category or want discuss nuances of Arabic?

4:11 ... فلأمه  so to his mother الثلث the third

31:14 ووصينا and We enjoined الإنسان the human بوالديه to his parents حملته carried him أمه  his mother وهنا weakness على upon وهن infirmity وفصاله and his separation في in عامين two years أن that اشكر be thankful لي to Me ولوالديك and to your parents إلي to Me المصير the destiny

[Mazhar]

The same; why ask ? are not women included in the human category or want discuss nuances of Arabic?

4:11 ... فلأمه  so to his mother الثلث the third

31:14 ووصينا and We enjoined الإنسان the human بوالديه to his parents حملته carried him أمه  his mother وهنا weakness على upon وهن infirmity وفصاله and his separation في in عامين two years أن that اشكر be thankful لي to Me ولوالديك and to your parents إلي to Me المصير the destiny

بوالديه is dual active participle signifying The Father and the Mother. Parents being plural in english is perhaps not suitable translation particularly because it also denotes to act as parent. When genders are specified in text then they refer only to that gender not interchangeably.

I have attempted in two parts and posted it seperately since Arabic text is used in images. You are requested to critically examine it. Thanks

[Noon waalqalami]

I have attempted in two parts and posted it seperately since Arabic text is used in images. You are requested to critically examine it. Thanks

Peace Mazhar, your article starts off well then turns into an illogical hairball with multiple errors started by assigning 2/3 to mixed children/siblings ignors clear instructions 2/3 is to females only, lacks comprehension of basic فإن ELSE IF وإن AND IF switch to different case and gives only partial distributions with remainder unaccounted.

4:11 يوصيكم directs you الله The God في in أولادكم your children للذكر to the male مثل like حظ share الأنثيين the two (feminine)
4:11 فإن ELSE IF كن are نساء nisa فوق above اثنتين two فلهن falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) ثلثا thulutha 2/3

4:176...  فإن ELSE IF كانتا they were (feminine) اثنتين two فلهما falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) الثلثان the third dual (2/3)
4:176... وإن AND IF كانوا they were إخوة siblings رجالا rijal ونساء wanisa فللذكر so to the male مثل like حظ share الأنثيين the two (feminine)

[Noon waalqalami]

Thank you. You have clarified it for me. This is what I understood. All I need to do now is irrefutably clarify when and under what conditions this applies.

These are all conditions 1/6 or 1/3 to siblings applies (what differentiates sister in 4:12 and 4:176).

كلالة kalalah (fatherless spouseless, left no crown/head of household) has son

4:12 ..فإن so if كان kana/is (masculine) لكم to you ولد walad/offspring (i.e. if to person male child/born/son) فلهن so to them الثمن the eight مما from what تركتم you left من from بعد after وصية a will توصون you made بها in it أو or دين judgment (continue case if son...)

وإن and if كان is رجل a man يورث inherited كلالة kalalah (fatherless spouseless) أو or امرأة woman
وله and has أخ brother أو or أخت sister فلكل so to each واحد one منهما from them السدس the sixth
فإن so if كانوا they were أكثر greater من from ذلك that فه so they مشركاء partners في in الثلث the third

1 - 1/6 sister/brother = 5/6 son/s
1 - 1/3 2+ sisters/brothers/mixed = 2/3 son/s

1 - 1/6 mother - 1/6 sister/brother = 2/3 son/s
1 - 1/6 mother - 1/3 2+ sisters/brothers/mixed = 1/2 son/s

1 - 1/6 sister/brother = 5/6 children (daughter/s and son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female
1 - 1/3 2+ sisters/brothers/mixed = 5/6 children (daughter/s and son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female

1 - 1/6 mother - 1/6 sister/brother = 2/3 children (daughter/s and son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female
1 - 1/6 mother - 1/3 2+ sisters/brothers/mixed = 1/2 children (daughter/s and son/s) 2:1 ratio male to female

[Mazhar]

Quote from: Mazhar on July 30, 2012, 02:09:49 PM
I have attempted in two parts and posted it seperately since Arabic text is used in images. You are requested to critically examine it. Thanks
Peace Mazhar, your article starts off well then turns into an illogical hairball with multiple errors started by assigning 2/3 to mixed children/siblings ignors clear instructions 2/3 is to females only, lacks comprehension of basic فإن ELSE IF وإن AND IF switch to different case and gives only partial distributions with remainder unaccounted.

4:11 يوصيكم directs you الله The God في in أولادكم your children للذكر to the male مثل like حظ share الأنثيين the two (feminine)
4:11 فإن ELSE IF كن are نساء nisa فوق above اثنتين two فلهن falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) ثلثا thulutha 2/3

Sorry Noon,

What is stuck up in mind is to make the total equal to 1, that is, the whole inheritance.
Thereby, you are not listening and keep on ignoring the basic provisions of law for distribution of inheritance. What you are making hundered percent is just superfluous mathematics not the portions assigned by Allah the Exalted or the Dying Man.

The share is based on feminine gender, not daughter or sister and son or brother,. It is not equatining of persons belonging to different gender. First take the Subject of Sentence and then read its predicate. You read predicate first and the subject later on as was done by majority of translators showing as if they did not know even the basics of Arabic grammar and sentence structuring.

The base for distribution is feminine shares which will bring in the brother in total that can go to three feminine shares.
The other base for distribution is single son or absence of single son.

What is the share for unknown "someone" who is still in the womb of a wife?
What will be the fate of "someone" unknown in the womb of a wife who was alienated-pronounced suspension of Matrimonial Bond [divorce not effected yet] a day before his death?

[Noon waalqalami]

Sorry Noon,

What is stuck up in mind is to make the total equal to 1, that is, the whole inheritance.
Thereby, you are not listening and keep on ignoring the basic provisions of law for distribution of inheritance. What you are making hundered percent is just superfluous mathematics not the portions assigned by Allah the Exalted or the Dying Man.

No, it is you who is not listening or reading correctly making up things that is nowhere stated in Qur'an.
By your logic if only heirs parents; you would give mother 1/3 tell father to take a hike 2/3 unaccounted.

4:11  فإن so if لم not يكن was له to person ولد waladun/child وورثه and heirs أبواه person?s parents فلأمه so to his mother الثلث the third

1 - 1/3 mother (fixed) = 2/3 father (variable)

The share is based on feminine gender, not daughter or sister and son or brother,. It is not equatining of persons belonging to different gender. First take the Subject of Sentence and then read its predicate. You read predicate first and the subject later on as was done by majority of translators showing as if they did not know even the basics of Arabic grammar and sentence structuring.

The base for distribution is feminine shares which will bring in the brother in total that can go to three feminine shares.
The other base for distribution is single son or absence of single son.

Again a mathematical illogical hairball; obey the explicit instructions pay attention to switch case ELSE IF AND IF!
In addition you always have to give 2/3 to 3+ daughters or 1/2 to 1 daughter; therefore if you insist on mixing...

1 - 1/2 one daughter     = 1/2 ten sons (1/20 each) is illogical
1 - 2/3 three daughters = 1/3 ten sons (1/30 each) is illogical

What is the share for unknown "someone" who is still in the womb of a wife?
What will be the fate of "someone" unknown in the womb of a wife who was alienated-pronounced suspension of Matrimonial Bond [divorce not effected yet] a day before his death?

Again, I've posted for you and asked you numerous times to answer the basic question which you consistently avoid and come back with more perpetual questions and tireless expounding of grammar of clear simple verses. Now are you going to answer the question how you assign 2/3 to both males and females when it's explicit that 2/3 goes only to females?

4:11 يوصيكم directs you الله The God في in أولادكم your children للذكر to the male مثل like حظ share الأنثيين the two (feminine)
4:11 فإن ELSE IF كن are نساء nisa فوق above اثنتين two فلهن falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) ثلثا thulutha 2/3

4:176...  فإن ELSE IF كانتا they were (feminine) اثنتين two فلهما falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) الثلثان the third dual (2/3)
4:176... وإن AND IF كانوا they were إخوة siblings رجالا rijal ونساء wanisa فللذكر so to the male مثل like حظ share الأنثيين the two (feminine)

As to your question of a pregnant wife (man dies leaves no will), distribute the same 100% to all inheritors according to Qur'an whether she was pregnant or not pregnant, rich or poor, etc., and they the inheritors (not you) are responsible for their care after the distribution depending on their situation.

These are examples which I stated to you numerous times if you are going to comment on inheritance verses you need to go through all combinations and your math has to be consistent otherwise you contradict and therefore it is not Qur'an!

100% wife, sibling/s 0 not kalalah case

1 - 1/4 wife = 3/4 mother/father

1 - 1/2 (1 daughter, 1/2 always)= 1/2 wife
1 - 2/3 (3 daughters, 2/9 each) = 1/3 wife

1 - 1/4 wife = 3/4 (3/8 mother + 3/8 father)

1 - 1/2 (1 daughter)  = 1/2 (1/4 wife + 1/4 mother/father)
1 - 2/3 (3 daughters) = 1/3 (1/6 wife + 1/6 mother/father)

1 - 1/6 mother/father - 1/8 wife       = 17/24 son/s
1 - 1/6 mother - 1/6 father - 1/8 wife = 13/24 son/s

1 - 1/8 wife = 7/8 children (mixed) 2:1 ratio male to female

1 - 1/2 (1 daughter)   = 1/2 (1/6 wife + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father)
1 - 2/3 (3 daughters) = 1/3 (1/9 wife + 1/9 mother + 1/9 father)

1 - 1/6 mother/father - 1/8 wife         = 17/24 children (mixed) 2:1 ratio male to female
1 - 1/6 mother - 1/6 father - 1/8 wife = 13/24 children (mixed) 2:1 ratio male to female

[Mazhar]

No, it is you who is not listening or reading correctly making up things that is nowhere stated in Qur'an.
By your logic if only heirs parents; you would give mother 1/3 tell father to take a hike 2/3 unaccounted.

4:11  فإن so if لم not يكن was له to person ولد waladun/child وورثه and heirs أبواه person?s parents فلأمه so to his mother الثلث the third

1 - 1/3 mother (fixed) = 2/3 father (variable)

You assign 2/3 to father of a deceased man who had no son to inherit him and instead his Father and Mother are called his Waris. This is because Allah the Exalted has assigned only for mother the 1/3 in this case.

Who has assigned 2/3 to father?
Where is it said that left over will be for such and such person?
Variable means liable to change especially suddenly and unpredictably. Who will decide the change this 2/3?

[Mazhar]

Again a mathematical illogical hairball; obey the explicit instructions pay attention to switch case ELSE IF AND IF!
In addition you always have to give 2/3 to 3+ daughters or 1/2 to 1 daughter; therefore if you insist on mixing...

1 - 1/2 one daughter     = 1/2 ten sons (1/20 each) is illogical
1 - 2/3 three daughters = 1/3 ten sons (1/30 each) is illogical

I did not say this. What I said is that the progenies [comibination of daughters and sons] where shares are three minimum, the two third is fixed by Allah the Exalted for the progeneies. The rest is at the discretion of the dying person.

[Mazhar]

You straight go to mathematics for arriving at 1.
Do you accept this injunction as the Part of Inheritance distribution or otherwise like those who might call it Mansukh:

The Oral Bequest in favour of the Mother and Father and the relatively Near Blood relatives, in accordance with the well known norms, has been prescribed-decreed upon you at the point in time when the natural death has approached someone of you people, in case he is leaving behind worldly wealth.
This is mandatory-incumbent upon people who are cautious, heedful and mindful in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted. [2:180]