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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #680 on: May 21, 2019, 11:58:10 AM »
In the same table you say child 1/3 and then say daughter half of 2/3=1/3.
4:11 the children are together (i.e. mixed ratios) male/s and female/s 2, 3+, 1

we are waiting for you/Mazhar to allocate $120K inheritance since you are smart?
man died leaves: parents, wife, 3 children (daughters: l-lata wal-uza and manat)

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

Take my advice. Find time to study about nouns, their gender, and plurality.

2:233 not made to suffer mother biwaladiha/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) hers
19:77 surely given I wealth wawaladan/and offspring (masculine noun) of
31:33 not availed parent about waladihi/offspring (masculine noun) his


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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #681 on: May 21, 2019, 03:34:03 PM »
4:11 the children are together (i.e. mixed ratios) male/s and female/s 2, 3+, 1

we are waiting for you/Mazhar to allocate $120K inheritance since you are smart?
man died leaves: parents, wife, 3 children (daughters: l-lata wal-uza and manat)

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

2:233 not made to suffer mother biwaladiha/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) hers
19:77 surely given I wealth wawaladan/and offspring (masculine noun) of
31:33 not availed parent about waladihi/offspring (masculine noun) his

In the first sentence there are two females and a male in the Aulaad. Their internal distribution is given. Not the share/fraction of what is left by the deceased parent.

Pl read Para 26-43 and try to rebut any point.

http://haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #682 on: May 21, 2019, 04:51:57 PM »
Pl read Para 26-43 and try to rebut any point.

http://haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

rebuttal: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

let me break it down since you're beginner top critique among nonbelievers with marrying 9 year-old and wife beating.
no idea why you wrote inheritance article and you are clueless to allocate simple: spouse, parents, and daughters?

according to you walad/son (erroneous!) and daughters are alone (erroneous! numerous contradictions!)

4:11
if three+ daughters they get 2/3
if no son and parents mother 1/3

already max no clue what to give father!

4:12
if no son husband 1/2
if no son wife gets 1/4

likewise clueless what to give spouse!




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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #683 on: May 22, 2019, 04:54:36 AM »
rebuttal: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

let me break it down since you're beginner top critique among nonbelievers with marrying 9 year-old and wife beating.
no idea why you wrote inheritance article and you are clueless to allocate simple: spouse, parents, and daughters?

according to you walad/son (erroneous!) and daughters are alone (erroneous! numerous contradictions!)

4:11
if three+ daughters they get 2/3
if no son and parents mother 1/3

already max no clue what to give father!

4:12
if no son husband 1/2
if no son wife gets 1/4

likewise clueless what to give spouse!

Only slanders. You have totally exposed yourself that you lack even basic knowledge of Arabic. How sentences are structured to put meanings in them is far beyond your brain. Sorry to note that you do not even know types of noun and still have self assumed to be a scholar on Qur'aan.



This sentence is beyond your comprehension. You see only words. Sentence is far more than sum total of words. Do you know what type of sentence is this? How many are grammatical units in it? What is its tone.

If you know not these basic things avoid spreading your foolish ideas imagined.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #684 on: May 22, 2019, 10:17:07 AM »
It's obvious to everyone reading that you are clueless on allocating even basic shares e.g. father and daughter/s?
This thread is on inheritance distributions which you are hijacking advertising dumb article on your website. If you don't like my distributions (it's there for the benefit of others) open your own thread stop hijacking this one go debate these guys who'll tear you to pieces since you lack even basic logic and cannot distribute anything!

http://www.sillyallah.com/2007/11/inheritance-mistake-in-detail-part-1.html

http://www.sillyallah.com/2007/11/inheritance-mistake-in-detail-part-2.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #685 on: May 22, 2019, 12:09:04 PM »
Only slanders. You have totally exposed yourself that you lack even basic knowledge of Arabic. How sentences are structured to put meanings in them is far beyond your brain. Sorry to note that you do not even know types of noun and still have self assumed to be a scholar on Qur'aan.



This sentence is beyond your comprehension. You see only words. Sentence is far more than sum total of words. Do you know what type of sentence is this? How many are grammatical units in it? What is its tone.

If you know not these basic things avoid spreading your foolish ideas imagined.

What is hampering to talk about the basic part of the discourse on inheritance. Are you clueless, or afraid that you whole story will fall.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #686 on: May 22, 2019, 12:59:00 PM »
summary: "all cases" shares always equal exactly 1 and never over/under!

4:11/4:176 to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two/females
applies if at least two females are present -- never with only one/female!



Cairo, National Library: qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73

ch4v11-12 translation: https://i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

Berlin, State Library: ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73

ch4v176 translation: https://i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg





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Re: Inheritance according to Qur?an
« Reply #687 on: May 22, 2019, 01:17:06 PM »
Noon, can you move with me step by step. You are at liberty to accept or rebut by evidence NOT by gossip.

Part-I.  Definition of inheritance; Arabic Root for semantic domain of inheritance and Roots that collocate

1. Inheritance is the practice of passing on the property, movable and immovable assets, debts and obligations upon the death of an individual. The concept of inheritance is embedded in Root: و ر ث. Ibn Faris [died 1005] stated:

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الْوَاوُ وَالرَّاءُ وَالثَّاءُ: كَلِمَةٌ وَاحِدَةٌ، هِيَ الْوِرْثُ. وَالْمِيرَاثُ أَصْلُهُ الْوَاوُ. وَهُوَ أَنْ يَكُونَ الشَّيْءُ لِقَوْمٍ ثُمَّ يَصِيرَ إِلَى آخَرِينَ بِنَسَبٍ أَوْ سَبَبٍ

That it refers to the thing owned by persons which thereafter is turned towards later generation by lineage/kinship and/or for some other reason.

2. It thus denotes inheritance, transfer of sustenance to heirs called: ٱلْوَٟرِثُونَ  they who inherit (money, property, heritage) as an heir at the death of previous holder. They can be only those who are for the deceased: مَوَٟلِـىَ plural noun (three or more) meaning kinsfolk, or beneficiaries for some other reason, like under patronage person (in common parlance adopted son). It stems from Root: و ل ى . According to Ibn Faris [died 1005] its primarily signification is:

مقاييس اللغة

الواو واللام والياء: أصلٌ صحيح يدلُّ على قرب.

That it leads to the perception of nearness; adjacent.

Dear can you deny these facts?

If we proceed logically we can better revisit and evaluate the accuracy of what we have been understanding. Let us learn.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #688 on: May 22, 2019, 09:51:42 PM »
summary: "all cases" shares always equal exactly 1 and never over/under!

4:11/4:176 to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two/females
applies if at least two females are present -- never with only one/female!



Cairo, National Library: qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73

ch4v11-12 translation: https://i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

Berlin, State Library: ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73

ch4v176 translation: https://i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg





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Salam/Peace Noon, i hope that does not mean you are leaving or something? By the way, i agree with you on this Inheritance issues is due to Hadith involvement of translation.

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Re: Inheritance according to Qur�an
« Reply #689 on: May 22, 2019, 11:27:27 PM »
Also Noon, these link that uses mistranslation of 4:11-13 are used to be debunked? Because this thread is about debunking the mistranslation the verses that the mistranslation is due to hadith influence.