To the translators of Qur'an

[Student of Allah]

Shalom Aleikhem,


This is for the translators of the Qur'an we find in this site (A monotheist translation). I was wondering if there is a way I can question their choice of words in translations ? I mean ofcourse I could, but , would I be getting any explanation for the choice of words in certain verses ?

Incase you are wondering, I would be questioning verses that are commonly associated with scientific claims. I would like to know how much of the translations are the translator making things up and how much of it is factual. Don't get me wrong, I do not doubt anyone's sincerity. It is just that I must verify as much as I possibly and potentially can. I am getting lost in the PRL So thought about posting it here. If the translators can find time, I would be so happy


Peace
-------------- Student of Allah

[mmkhan]

Salaam,

A short answer to your question.

AlQuraan cannot be translated.

Sorry if someone don't like my answer but this is the fact.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path 
mmKhan

[good logic]

Peace all.
I agree.

Only the author of the Koran will be able to" Translate it, teach it, explain it..." to the reader/ student/ponderer/ submitter/...

There is a clear criteria and a test for qualifying.

Of course anyone can attempt to translate, teach... and claim they have the right understanding.
Peace.

[bkanwar2]

Salaam,

A short answer to your question.

AlQuraan cannot be translated.

Thank you brother for rendering Quran worthless.

Peace all.
I agree.

Only the author of the Koran will be able to" Translate it, teach it, explain it..." to the reader/ student/ponderer/ submitter/...

There is a clear criteria and a test for qualifying.

.

Peace good logic

Who is the author of Quran?  How would any one know who is the author?  besides understanding Quran itself?  If you know him and his address can you take me to him?

Yes he is with everyone.  But what does he want from us?  It appears this is what is lost in translations of Quran.  So my question to both of you.  If Quran is untranslatable?  Plus one needs its author to translate it.  Why bother about Quran and waste our time about it?  As you are unlikely to lead to his address to get the job done.

Peace to you.  This is what Quran says

"Surah 114:1             قُلْ أَعُوذُ بِرَبِّ النَّاسِ

Reflect and then express in your words that, I seek protection from the state of commotion about my Rabb. (Sustainer, Foster, Maintainer and Accomplisher.) "

This is what the state of commotion is all about.

[good logic]

Peace bkanwar2.

Quote--"Rabb. (Sustainer, Foster, Maintainer and Accomplisher.) " Your creator ( GOD, DIEU,ALLAH ...) HE is the author of the Koran. If not

Who do you believe authored the Koran?

Peace.

[mmkhan]

Salaam bkanwar2,

Thank you for your reply.

I still stand strong on what I said that AlQuraan cannot be translated. The main reason behind it is one has to keep on updating his/her understanding of AlQuraan for his whole lifetime. If one translate AlQuraan today with what he/she understood, tomorrow they will come up with new understanding of the same aayaats. And it keeps on updating till death. Hence, you cannot translate it.

This simply means every individual has to make their own way towards Allah by studying AlQuraan and implying it in our daily life with your current understanding. If Allah shows you something else tomorrow, just update yourself and keep on doing it.

This is the beauty of AlQuraan unlike other books.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path 
mmKhan

[bkanwar2]

Quote--"Rabb. (Sustainer, Foster, Maintainer and Accomplisher.) " Your creator ( GOD, DIEU,ALLAH ...) HE is the author of the Koran. 

Peace good logic, if you have understood this much.  Please know this as well,  that his functioning is according to laws determined by him.  He neither comes to any individual nor any one knows his address.  Hence, a simple law which is consistent and according to his given sense of reason and logic for understanding a book is to learn it via learning it's language.  If you know anything different, please share.  I am very open to ideas.

Salaam bkanwar2,

Thank you for your reply.

I still stand strong on what I said that AlQuraan cannot be translated. The main reason behind it is one has to keep on updating his/her understanding of AlQuraan for his whole lifetime. If one translate AlQuraan today with what he/she understood, tomorrow they will come up with new understanding of the same aayaats. And it keeps on updating till death. Hence, you cannot translate it.

This simply means every individual has to make their own way towards Allah by studying AlQuraan and implying it in our daily life with your current understanding. If Allah shows you something else tomorrow, just update yourself and keep on doing it.

This is the beauty of AlQuraan unlike other books.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path 
mmKhan

If you agree and believe upon this much.  Please give me your reasoning.  As to why do you insist upon and keep quoting from a translation and understanding which is more than thousand year old?  Not only keep quoting but keep believing as a gospel truth.  Furthermore, when this thousand year old translation is not based upon language, instead mostly upon hearsay.

[good logic]

Peace bkanwar.

I think you need to explain your new reasoning .

Even you seem to be still learning it according to your posts.

Since you ask for my reasoning ,check: http://www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/website-pages/the-journey-and-the-questions-continue/
Peace.

[bkanwar2]

Peace bkanwar.

I think you need to explain your new reasoning .

Even you seem to be still learning it according to your posts.

Since you ask for my reasoning ,check: http://www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/website-pages/the-journey-and-the-questions-continue/
Peace.

Peace good logic.

My reasoning is very simple.

1.  Any book could only be understood by learning/understanding its language.
2.  At present Quran is only understood via its translations written more than 200 years after its supposed origin.
3.  Hence, one has only one of the two options, either continuing to accept this translation as real Quran, or else to attempt an understanding via language.
4.  I have put on the net for several years now linguistic meanings of Allah with explanation as "one who is not a deity for worship".  I would like ones who consider my Rabb as a deity for worship to prove it wrong step by step.  So I could be rightly guided.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599853.msg237622#msg237622

5.  If they can not do it.  My humble request would be to stop drawing their authority based upon Quran.  However, they remain free to continue believing acting as they may chose.

6. Finally if they really understand that Quran, as well believe in it as a book from our Rabb; then instead of defending their held beliefs based upon ancestor?s beliefs.  They should work to help and decode Quran, based upon language.

[good logic]

Peace bkanwar2

I am not defending anything. I simply asked you to explain your understanding.

It does not make sense when you say" one who is not a deity for worship" Explain Who is he then?

Also you translate a name " one who is not a deity for worship" for Allah. You added " for worship" . It does not seem to be there?

Peace.

[bkanwar2]

Peace bkanwar2

I am not defending anything. I simply asked you to explain your understanding.

It does not make sense when you say" one who is not a deity for worship" Explain Who is he then?

He is Rabb,= sustainer, foster, maintainer and accomplisher.

Peace bkanwar2

Also you translate a name " one who is not a deity for worship" for Allah. You added " for worship" . It does not seem to be there?

Peace.

Word Allah, is not a name.  In fact it is not even a single word.  Please read the explanation in the link.  It is simple enough to follow.  If you have questions about any steps.  Would be happy to elaborate further.

Peace.

[good logic]

Peace bkanwar.

Translate the following 3 verses of the koran,using your way/understanding, so we can compare your translation .

3:99″ Say:? O followers of the scripture, why do you repel from the path of Allah those who wish to believe ( submit and be loyal to Allah ALONE) and you seek to distort the true path ( by inventing intercessors, other authority beside Allah, monopolise the religion, mix your own tradition ?) even though you are witnesses?? Allah is never unaware of anything you do.?



4:119″ Anyone who accepts anybody else as lord ,instead of Allah, has incurred a profound loss.?

4:163″ We have given you the same message ( submission and total loyalty to Allah ALONE) as We have given to Noah and all the prophets. It is the same message given to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, the Patriachs, Jesus, Job,  Aaron, Moses, David and Solomon( these are in no particular order.) and all messengers of Allah. These prophets/messengers to deliver good news as well as warnings; Thus the people will have no excuse when they face Allah, after all these messengers have come to them. Allah is Almighty, Wise.?

You can ignore the words in brackets.
Peace.

[mmkhan]

If you agree and believe upon this much.  Please give me your reasoning.  As to why do you insist upon and keep quoting from a translation and understanding which is more than thousand year old?  Not only keep quoting but keep believing as a gospel truth.  Furthermore, when this thousand year old translation is not based upon language, instead mostly upon hearsay.

I did not understand what you wrote. Can you please rephrase your message for me? IF you are saying I am using alQuraan translated thousand years ago, how do you know that ?

I use my own translation most of the time by my TheCreator's help and His blessings. If you don't understand what and why I wrote that, please let me know I will try to explain you in more detail inshaAllah.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path 
mmKhan

[bkanwar2]

Peace bkanwar.

Translate the following 3 verses of the koran,using your way/understanding, so we can compare your translation .

3:99″ Say:” O followers of the scripture, why do you repel from the path of Allah those who wish to believe ( submit and be loyal to Allah ALONE) and you seek to distort the true path ( by inventing intercessors, other authority beside Allah, monopolise the religion, mix your own tradition …) even though you are witnesses?” Allah is never unaware of anything you do.”



4:119″ Anyone who accepts anybody else as lord ,instead of Allah, has incurred a profound loss.”

4:163″ We have given you the same message ( submission and total loyalty to Allah ALONE) as We have given to Noah and all the prophets. It is the same message given to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, the Patriachs, Jesus, Job,  Aaron, Moses, David and Solomon( these are in no particular order.) and all messengers of Allah. These prophets/messengers to deliver good news as well as warnings; Thus the people will have no excuse when they face Allah, after all these messengers have come to them. Allah is Almighty, Wise.”

You can ignore the words in brackets.
Peace.

Peace good logic, please post the Quranic text and not the translation that you want me to translate.

I did not understand what you wrote. Can you please rephrase your message for me? IF you are saying I am using alQuraan translated thousand years ago, how do you know that ?

I use my own translation most of the time by my TheCreator's help and His blessings. If you don't understand what and why I wrote that, please let me know I will try to explain you in more detail inshaAllah.


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path 
mmKhan

Please share your own understanding of only this one verse.

أَلَمْ تَرَ كَيْفَ فَعَلَ رَبُّكَ بِأَصْحَابِ الْفِيلِ

[mmkhan]

Please share your own understanding of only this one verse.

أَلَمْ تَرَ كَيْفَ فَعَلَ رَبُّكَ بِأَصْحَابِ الْفِيلِ

Oh I got an examination now! Anyways I will try to put forward my understanding inshaAllah. Ya Rabbi help me please. I don't know what you are trying to prove but here it is....

105:1 Have you not seen, how your Lord did to companions of the elephant?


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path 
mmKhan

[good logic]

Peace bkanwar.

Which book do you have? It is the same text as you have The verses are{ 3:99, 4:119 and 4:163 ]

Of course I am asking you to translate the original text. not the translation I used.
Peace

[bkanwar2]

Oh I got an examination now! Anyways I will try to put forward my understanding inshaAllah. Ya Rabbi help me please. I don't know what you are trying to prove but here it is....

105:1 Have you not seen, how your Lord did to companions of the elephant?


May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path 
mmKhan

So how come this is your own understanding?  This is there for over thousand years.  Based upon historical accounts.  Otherwise there is no meanings of this verse. 

[mmkhan]

So how come this is your own understanding?  This is there for over thousand years.  Based upon historical accounts.  Otherwise there is no meanings of this verse.

Why you always rush to prove others wrong? I really don't understand what you wanted to conclude? I translated it as per my current understanding, it may change tomorrow, so whats the big deal?

My only intention is to make Allah happy with me, I don't care if you agree to it or not.

Here is on aayat for you and me.

10:41 وَ اِنۡ کَذَّبُوۡکَ فَقُلۡ لِّیۡ عَمَلِیۡ وَ لَکُمۡ عَمَلُکُمۡ ۚ اَنۡتُمۡ بَرِیۡٓـــُٔوۡنَ مِمَّاۤ اَعۡمَلُ وَ اَنَا بَرِیۡٓءٌ مِّمَّا تَعۡمَلُوۡنَ
10:41 And if they deny you, then say, "For me are my deeds, and for you are your deeds. You are free from what I do, and I am free from what you do."


May Allah guide us all to His true path 
mmKhan

[bkanwar2]

Peace good logic due lack of time, I am just doing one verse out of three.  Hopefully, this should sufice to what you are looking for.

قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لِمَ تَصُدُّونَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ مَنْ آمَنَ تَبْغُونَهَا عِوَجًا وَأَنتُمْ3:99

شُهَدَاءَ وَمَا اللّهُ بِغَافِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ

Think and then express in your words, O you people the refusal and departure from learned and written collection of principles is a reason why you have been turned away from lasting profit of Allah (one not a deity for worship).  Who gives safety and security, you endeavor to make this collection crooked and distorted.  And you continue to be witnesses for this distortion, without realizing Allah (one who is not a deity for worship) is not unaware of what you are doing.

[mmkhan]

Peace good logic due lack of time, I am just doing one verse out of three.  Hopefully, this should sufice to what you are looking for.

قُلْ يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لِمَ تَصُدُّونَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ مَنْ آمَنَ تَبْغُونَهَا عِوَجًا وَأَنتُمْ3:99

شُهَدَاءَ وَمَا اللّهُ بِغَافِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ

Think and then express in your words, O you people the refusal and departure from learned and written collection of principles is a reason why you have been turned away from lasting profit of Allah (one not a deity for worship).  Who gives safety and security, you endeavor to make this collection crooked and distorted.  And you continue to be witnesses for this distortion, without realizing Allah (one who is not a deity for worship) is not unaware of what you are doing.

Where is the translation / your understanding of 3:99 ? I also wanted to see you translate of the verse above. After seeing your translation only I may able to understand who you wrote to me, so please translate at least 3:99

Thanks in advance,
mmKhan