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Started by loveislam, June 21, 2012, 08:17:26 AM

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loveislam

Quote from: Student of Allah on June 21, 2012, 08:01:12 PM
Shalom Aleikhem,

lol. What that boils down to is : Don't even bother to read anything, simply obey your lord scholar. Your favorite sheikh is the way the truth, the way and the life, nobody connects to God but through him. lol ;)


Anyways, I hope God guides you through every step in your journey to seek the truth.

Peace
---------- Student of Allah

Exactly, why use your brain?!! :o
" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

mirjamnur

Salam
QuoteThanks  You are definitely right about those schools. Our school assigned sessions for teaching the Quran, even called the Quran session, but what we mostly did during these sessions was discussing superficial issues like trimming your fingernails because 40 devils would sit beneath every long fingernail, the veil, gender segregation, the antichrist, the punishment in the grave...etc.  But to be fair, sometimes we recited the Quran and talked about morals and charity.
When I graduated from school, I realized I haven't read the Quran entirely and meticulously. During school years, I only read the Quran hastily in Ramadan so I can catch up with friends who were about to finish reading. (In my country, during Ramadan, people try to finish reading the Quran entirely before the month ends, they would even ask each other,' which chapter have you reached up till now? Some people would show off because they had finished reading it twice! Now, I really hate being asked this question, I think someone should read to understand. The Holy book is not a race  )
When I entered college, I was shifted to a very different surrounding and I had the chance to interact with various people. It was during college years that I starting reading the Quran carefully with the intention to understand and implement its teachings. But I was faced with the belief that you can never understand the Quran on your own, you may follow your own whims, you need to read hadith that explain the Quran and then you need to read hadith commentaries to understand hadith  and then you have to ask a renowned scholar If you have any doubts. A complicated cycle! Then if you disagree with the scholar's opinion, you are heading to the wrong path, you are blinded 

You speak to me from the soul .. I live in a country where the quantitie  comes before the quality. The main thing you read as much as possible, whether you understand seems to be  not so important ..... :(
I've always been annoyed during Ramadan and the FIRST question from ALL:   how many 'guz' you have already read???? Ugh. :o
Do not be fooled by people who dub yourself of unbelief.  I place a hadith in question, I am unskilled and they said that i should turn to the scholars, then if  I'm still suspicious, I'm definitely strayed ...  :yuck:The fox biting its own tail ...
peace

loveislam

Quote from: mirjamnur on June 22, 2012, 07:11:37 AM
Salam
You speak to me from the soul .. I live in a country where the quantitie  comes before the quality. The main thing you read as much as possible, whether you understand seems to be  not so important ..... :(
I've always been annoyed during Ramadan and the FIRST question from ALL:   how many 'guz' you have already read???? Ugh. :o
Do not be fooled by people who dub yourself of unbelief.  I place a hadith in question, I am unskilled and they said that i should turn to the scholars, then if  I'm still suspicious, I'm definitely strayed ...  :yuck:The fox biting its own tail ...
peace

Yeah reading the Quran without reflection is a universal problem.
The Quran is a message to all human beings not only the scholars :D so how come they are the only ones who know its meaning?!! Why do they have to bombard you with questions like,' what Islamic schooling did you receive? Do you have a degree in Jurisprudence? blah blah ...:(
I m from Egypt,which country do you come from?
" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

Jafar

Quote from: loveislam on June 22, 2012, 08:04:40 AM
how come they are the only ones who know its meaning?!! Why do they have to bombard you with questions like,' what Islamic schooling did you receive? Do you have a degree in Jurisprudence? blah blah ...:(

Because playing the role of 'a broker' to God is a very lucrative business..

They have spent many years, with hard work and tears, learning and memorizing bullshit and lies the truth from the holy book of gossip hadith and the works of famous past idiots scholars. Thus with such hard works they think that they have 'earned' the rights and certification to be the 'ultimate broker' of God's truth...

Salam / Peace


loveislam

Quote from: Jafar on June 22, 2012, 04:17:06 PM
Because playing the role of 'a broker' to God is a very lucrative business..
That being said, I remember one of my friends paying money to obtain religious advice on a specific issue :(
salam :)
" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

youssef4342

Peace be with you as well and Welcome!
Nice to hear about your experience :)
and If i had to boil it down, One of the reasons God created us was to see which one of us would do the best works (67:2, 18:7, 11:7)...so set yourself to be a good person, and to do good things... God guides those who are nice/benevolent  (6:84, 37:121)


Recommended readings:
God's System of Righteousness (The Reward system for those who are Nice/Benevolent)
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602900
God's Systems of Guidance and Misguidance
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603904.0
The Original purpose of our creation
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603282.0
~ God's Unconnditional servants ~
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603053
7 "Hells", 2 Heavens, and a "Purgatory"
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603259
Why language is irrelevant!
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603266.0
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Sir Comcision

Quote from: loveislam on June 21, 2012, 08:17:26 AM
salam alikom :)
I was brought up in the Middle East where Sunni Islam is the most prevalent. My country is well known by its pliable view of Islam; however, in the past few years Salafism has crept into our society. Unfortunately, many people have adopted this ultraorthodox stream, believing it's the pristine form that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) had preached.
I was admitted to an Islamic school and at the age of seven, boys and girls were segregated. I grew up believing that having a conversation with a guy was a major sin, I even looked down upon girls who did so. My school gave a lot of attention to superficial details and looked over the essence of Islam; e.g. my teachers focused immensely on the veil and left out many important values and morals. I remember being reluctant at first as I didn?t want to wear the veil at a very young age (12 years). During school years, I was dubious of some prophetic sayings, especially those laden with misogyny. I couldn't accept that a religion so keen on equality would degrade any social group. However, I used to solace myself with the scholars' interpretations i.e. their twisting of the original negative connotation so that it gives positive impression.
It wasn't until recently that I began questioning the authenticity of Hadith and so often I asked dad about the compilation of hadith. He told me about its late compilation, the chain of narrators...etc and other things that left me wondering.
Around two years ago, I wanted to become very religious and strictly obey God's commands. I downloaded Quran exegesis, Sahih Bukhari and the commentary on Sahih bukhari; and I started my reading journey, but my advancement was absolutely slow. So I tried a different approach, which was downloading an English translation of the Quran. (For me reading an English translation was much easier since our spoken Arabic is very slang and I couldn?t understand many Arabic words in the Quran). At this point, I realized how simple the Quran is and how easy it is to follow. I found a lot of discrepancy between the spirit of the Quran and what our scholars preach.
I had many questions and thoughts flowing in my mind. I didn?t speak up because I knew this will push me into a lot of arguments. I don't like arguing especially if there are no satisfying answers. I think it's a waste of time to get into arguments that are eventually fruitless. One day I was searching for the meaning of a verse and accidentally I entered the site for Ahl Al Quran; this site belongs to a movement called Al Quranyoon which I haven't heard of before. To my surprise, those people shared some of my opinions and there I found answers to some of my questions, but I had fears from the idea of rejecting the Sunnah because we have been indoctrinated that the basics of Islam are Quran and Sunnah and they are inseparable.
Since then I have done a lot of research into Hadith. I have always wondered, if hadith are revelations from, why is there disparity among the nine books of Hadith. Why aren't they consistent as the Quran? At the same time, I can't reject all hadith because some of them are in accordance with the Quran, some contain wisdom and some call for good work.
During my research, I came across this forum and I liked the way people here discuss their different viewpoints; no one belittles or curses, unlike other Sunni forums. I need to know people who can support me to reach the level of spirituality and purity I dream of, because the purpose of the divine message is to be in peace with God, the society and most importantly myself.

26:83 ?My Lord, grant me authority and join me with the good doers.?
26:84 ?And give me a tongue that is true for those who will follow.?
26:85 ?And make me of the inheritors of gardens of bliss.?
26:86 ?And forgive my father, for he was of those misguided.?
26:87 ?And do not disgrace me on the Day when they are resurrected.?
26:88 ?The Day when no money or sons can help.?
26:89 ?Except for he who comes to God with a pure heart.?

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I hope you find it pleasant here.
"For those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads, Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron."
- The Holy Koran

loveislam

Thank you youssef :)
BTW, great articles..

" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

loveislam

" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

mirjamnur

Salam loveislam

QuoteI m from Egypt,which country do you come from?

i'm originally from Switzerland, but i live in Egypt since 6 years! Very nice to meet you!
peace