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Started by loveislam, June 21, 2012, 08:17:26 AM

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loveislam

salam alikom :)
I was brought up in the Middle East where Sunni Islam is the most prevalent. My country is well known by its pliable view of Islam; however, in the past few years Salafism has crept into our society. Unfortunately, many people have adopted this ultraorthodox stream, believing it's the pristine form that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) had preached.
I was admitted to an Islamic school and at the age of seven, boys and girls were segregated. I grew up believing that having a conversation with a guy was a major sin, I even looked down upon girls who did so. My school gave a lot of attention to superficial details and looked over the essence of Islam; e.g. my teachers focused immensely on the veil and left out many important values and morals. I remember being reluctant at first as I didn?t want to wear the veil at a very young age (12 years). During school years, I was dubious of some prophetic sayings, especially those laden with misogyny. I couldn't accept that a religion so keen on equality would degrade any social group. However, I used to solace myself with the scholars' interpretations i.e. their twisting of the original negative connotation so that it gives positive impression.
It wasn't until recently that I began questioning the authenticity of Hadith and so often I asked dad about the compilation of hadith. He told me about its late compilation, the chain of narrators...etc and other things that left me wondering.
Around two years ago, I wanted to become very religious and strictly obey God's commands. I downloaded Quran exegesis, Sahih Bukhari and the commentary on Sahih bukhari; and I started my reading journey, but my advancement was absolutely slow. So I tried a different approach, which was downloading an English translation of the Quran. (For me reading an English translation was much easier since our spoken Arabic is very slang and I couldn?t understand many Arabic words in the Quran). At this point, I realized how simple the Quran is and how easy it is to follow. I found a lot of discrepancy between the spirit of the Quran and what our scholars preach.
I had many questions and thoughts flowing in my mind. I didn?t speak up because I knew this will push me into a lot of arguments. I don't like arguing especially if there are no satisfying answers. I think it's a waste of time to get into arguments that are eventually fruitless. One day I was searching for the meaning of a verse and accidentally I entered the site for Ahl Al Quran; this site belongs to a movement called Al Quranyoon which I haven't heard of before. To my surprise, those people shared some of my opinions and there I found answers to some of my questions, but I had fears from the idea of rejecting the Sunnah because we have been indoctrinated that the basics of Islam are Quran and Sunnah and they are inseparable.
Since then I have done a lot of research into Hadith. I have always wondered, if hadith are revelations from, why is there disparity among the nine books of Hadith. Why aren't they consistent as the Quran? At the same time, I can't reject all hadith because some of them are in accordance with the Quran, some contain wisdom and some call for good work.
During my research, I came across this forum and I liked the way people here discuss their different viewpoints; no one belittles or curses, unlike other Sunni forums. I need to know people who can support me to reach the level of spirituality and purity I dream of, because the purpose of the divine message is to be in peace with God, the society and most importantly myself.

26:83 ?My Lord, grant me authority and join me with the good doers.?
26:84 ?And give me a tongue that is true for those who will follow.?
26:85 ?And make me of the inheritors of gardens of bliss.?
26:86 ?And forgive my father, for he was of those misguided.?
26:87 ?And do not disgrace me on the Day when they are resurrected.?
26:88 ?The Day when no money or sons can help.?
26:89 ?Except for he who comes to God with a pure heart.?


" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

mirjamnur

Salam


I read your post and I am happy and gives me hope that a girl, even when they grow up in an Islamic school, can find the truth with a critical spirit and a clear heart ! May God make your way easy and expand our knowledge.
I have a page (in English) which I like very much:
http://quransmessage.com/sitemap%20FM2.htm
I'm very happy and i hope you will found many answers to your questions here!
peace :sun:

es

Salaam,

Welcome and congratulations!

You said you cannot entirely rule out hadith because some of them are in accordance with the Qur'an. I think you can take good and bad points from anything. For me, the crux is that hadiths are not Islam and they shouldn't be taken as such, in my belief.

All the best on your journey. Insh'Allah, may it be rewarding.

Salaam.

loveislam

Quote from: mirjamnur on June 21, 2012, 09:08:19 AM
Salam


I read your post and I am happy and gives me hope that a girl, even when they grow up in an Islamic school, can find the truth with a critical spirit and a clear heart ! May God make your way easy and expand our knowledge.
I have a page (in English) which I like very much:
http://quransmessage.com/sitemap%20FM2.htm
I'm very happy and i hope you will found many answers to your questions here!
peace :sun:

Salam,
Thank you for reading my post :) I think your page is very helpful :) May God make the way easy for all the believing hearts. 
" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

Student of Allah

Shalom aleikhem,


Welcome to the forum. I hope you learn more and more and God guides you to His straight path. Its good to see that faith school did not manage to kill your faith in God. In most cases, their job is to remove your faith from scriptures and make you put your faith in whatever they say. I never liked the idea of faith school, it labels children wrongly.

You found the Qur'an to be plain because you trusted God and believed and read, while most trust their scholars and disbelieve in God's message and stop reading saying "I can not understand or try to, because only my scholar can". I hope God makes things easy for you.

Peace
----------- Student of Allah
[url=http://studentofallah.blogspot.com/]"Student of Allah"'s blog[/url]

loveislam

Quote from: es on June 21, 2012, 09:27:40 AM
Salaam,

Welcome and congratulations!

You said you cannot entirely rule out hadith because some of them are in accordance with the Qur'an. I think you can take good and bad points from anything. For me, the crux is that hadiths are not Islam and they shouldn't be taken as such, in my belief.

All the best on your journey. Insh'Allah, may it be rewarding.

Salaam.

Salam :)
Well I don't believe that the books of hadith are revelations from God and I stopped reading them for a while, since I  don't want to be distracted from the Original message, the Quran. I need to focus on the Quran alone for now :) :) Anyway, I respect your belief :)


" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

KDC501

Quote from: loveislam on June 21, 2012, 01:18:50 PM
Salam :)
Well I don't believe that the books of hadith are revelations from God and I stopped reading them for a while, since I  don't want to be distracted from the Original message, the Quran. I need to focus on the Quran alone for now :) :) Anyway, I respect your belief :)

Well said. Hadiths will not save you. Only the knowledge that you believe and worship God and God alone, and that you do righteous deeds. That is basic knowledge/message of salvation and it can be attained even without a scripture. For example, you don't need a scripture to deduce that there is a creator. You don't need a scripture to deduce that murder is wrong, stealing or bearing false witness. This type of knowledge can be obtained by NATURAL BELIEFS(systems of right and wrong that are built into every human) Even atheist have them. For example do you think that an atheist will not call on God if he wasn't in trouble? People need to ask themselves this question. Why is the belief in God a natural part of our existence as human beings??? Who would deny a creator except one who is arrogant??? Everyone knows that there is a creator. Even the atheists that arrogantly say otherwise. The universal message of salvation and monotheism can be obtained EVEN WITHOUT A BOOK . It is my belief that Abraham during the early years of his life obtained  this knowledge without a book (Of course scripture was given to him later on but it was not so in the beginning of his life (Sura 6:74- 83 Abraham's path to monotheism if you read the story you see that Abraham was a logical person who saw the signs in the heavens and earth and gained certainty of the existence of a creator)) . So if he can do it , everyone can do it.


Peace,

Kevin



loveislam

Quote from: Student of Allah on June 21, 2012, 12:17:29 PM
Shalom aleikhem,


Welcome to the forum. I hope you learn more and more and God guides you to His straight path. Its good to see that faith school did not manage to kill your faith in God. In most cases, their job is to remove your faith from scriptures and make you put your faith in whatever they say. I never liked the idea of faith school, it labels children wrongly.

You found the Qur'an to be plain because you trusted God and believed and read, while most trust their scholars and disbelieve in God's message and stop reading saying "I can not understand or try to, because only my scholar can". I hope God makes things easy for you.

Peace
----------- Student of Allah


Salam,
Thanks :) You are definitely right about those schools. Our school assigned sessions for teaching the Quran, even called the Quran session, but what we mostly did during these sessions was discussing superficial issues like trimming your fingernails because 40 devils would sit beneath every long fingernail, the veil, gender segregation, the antichrist, the punishment in the grave...etc.  But to be fair, sometimes we recited the Quran and talked about morals and charity.
When I graduated from school, I realized I haven't read the Quran entirely and meticulously. During school years, I only read the Quran hastily in Ramadan so I can catch up with friends who were about to finish reading. (In my country, during Ramadan, people try to finish reading the Quran entirely before the month ends, they would even ask each other,' which chapter have you reached up till now? Some people would show off because they had finished reading it twice! Now, I really hate being asked this question, I think someone should read to understand. The Holy book is not a race :( )
When I entered college, I was shifted to a very different surrounding and I had the chance to interact with various people. It was during college years that I starting reading the Quran carefully with the intention to understand and implement its teachings. But I was faced with the belief that you can never understand the Quran on your own, you may follow your own whims, you need to read hadith that explain the Quran and then you need to read hadith commentaries to understand hadith :D and then you have to ask a renowned scholar If you have any doubts. A complicated cycle! Then if you disagree with the scholar's opinion, you are heading to the wrong path, you are blinded 

" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

loveislam

Quote from: KDC501 on June 21, 2012, 01:58:23 PM
Well said. Hadiths will not save you. Only the knowledge that you believe and worship God and God alone, and that you do righteous deeds. That is basic knowledge/message of salvation and it can be attained even without a scripture. For example, you don't need a scripture to deduce that there is a creator. You don't need a scripture to deduce that murder is wrong, stealing or bearing false witness. This type of knowledge can be obtained by NATURAL BELIEFS(systems of right and wrong that are built into every human) Even atheist have them. For example do you think that an atheist will not call on God if he wasn't in trouble? People need to ask themselves this question. Why is the belief in God a natural part of our existence as human beings??? Who would deny a creator except one who is arrogant??? Everyone knows that there is a creator. Even the atheists that arrogantly say otherwise. The universal message of salvation and monotheism can be obtained EVEN WITHOUT A BOOK . It is my belief that Abraham during the early years of his life obtained  this knowledge without a book (Of course scripture was given to him later on but it was not so in the beginning of his life (Sura 6:74- 83 Abraham's path to monotheism if you read the story you see that Abraham was a logical person who saw the signs in the heavens and earth and gained certainty of the existence of a creator)) . So if he can do it , everyone can do it.


Peace,

Kevin

Dear Kevin,
I can't agree more :)
30:30 So establish yourself to the system of monotheism. It is the inclination that God has nurtured the people on. There is no changing in the creation of God. Such is the pure system, but most of the people do not know.
" (O Prophet) When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the Call of every Caller when he calls on me: So, let them listen to Me and trust Me. This will put them on the right path. [2:186] "

Student of Allah

Shalom Aleikhem,

Quote from: loveislam on June 21, 2012, 06:30:00 PM
But I was faced with the belief that you can never understand the Quran on your own, you may follow your own whims, you need to read hadith that explain the Quran and then you need to read hadith commentaries to understand hadith :D and then you have to ask a renowned scholar If you have any doubts. A complicated cycle! Then if you disagree with the scholar's opinion, you are heading to the wrong path, you are blinded 

lol. What that boils down to is : Don't even bother to read anything, simply obey your lord scholar. Your favorite sheikh is the way the truth, the way and the life, nobody connects to God but through him. lol ;)


Anyways, I hope God guides you through every step in your journey to seek the truth.

Peace
---------- Student of Allah
[url=http://studentofallah.blogspot.com/]"Student of Allah"'s blog[/url]